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Genderqueer massage therapist helps with chest binding pain

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QuietContraryMary · 06/01/2019 11:48

Yes, it's perfectly normal guys. (Also in the pipeline, foot binding and neck stretching.)

"The class is a workshop for people who bind — a practice that involves wearing a tight sports bra or other constricting undergarment to help flatten the chest, sometimes for extended periods of time. For people who identify as transgender or gender-nonconforming and were assigned female at birth, binding can be essential to appearing more masculine — or simply feeling more comfortable in their own bodies.

But for some people, especially those who constrict their chest for many hours a day, sometimes over several years, the practice can take a serious physical toll, leading to sharp muscle pain, shortness of breath and bad posture.

That's why Reed, a massage therapist who identifies as genderqueer and uses the pronouns they and them, started teaching these classes about six years ago at Freed Bodyworks, the Capitol Hill wellness center Reed founded that caters to the LGBTQ community, including gender-nonconforming people."

""We provide a place where, for two hours, people are in here only with others experiencing the same thing," Reed said. "They find out other people are in as much pain as they are. There's just this instant sense of relief of not being alone.""

"Connor Cory first started getting massages from Freed Bodyworks a few years ago, when he had just started law school and had recently begun openly identifying as a transgender man. Through one-on-one massages and group binding classes, Cory has learned how to mitigate extreme back pain and poor alignment after years of binding, he said. Massage therapists at Freed Bodyworks have also helped him loosen up scar tissue from undergoing chest surgery about two years ago."

"Reed has seen clients who have traveled from rural areas hours away. Some don't have the resources to pursue top surgery in their communities and rely on binding for up to 12 hours a day to "pass" in their places of work, in industries such as construction. Reed described another client, a 17-year-old, who suffered such excruciating rib pain from binding that he sometimes had to go home from high school."

"Minimal research has been conducted on the health impacts of binding. But one survey published in 2016, the Binding Health Project, found that physical discomfort was almost universal among transgender adults who bind. More than 97 percent of the 1,800 survey participants said they had experienced a negative health outcome, including back pain, overheating, chest pain, shortness of breath, itching and bad posture."

"It wasn't until after Reed had started teaching binding classes that the practice took a toll on their own life. After working as a massage therapist in a binder every day for years, Reed developed such a severe shoulder injury that they were unable to lift their right arm and were forced to take five months off work as a massage therapist.

"I couldn't wear a binder at all for those five months. I couldn't even wear a traditional bra because the pain was so severe," Reed said. "The gender dysphoria that caused for me was huge.""

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 06/01/2019 19:58

Fine. It’s a disagreement on a point. I see your viewpoint but have a different one, that is all.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:55

I love it when people "explain" things to me, it makes me feel so validated as a woman.

NotMeOhNo · 06/01/2019 19:54

This stood out for me:

We provide a place where, for two hours, people are in here only with others experiencing the same thing," Reed said

That was what women used to have, before it was decided that talking about our bodies was exclusionary and hurtful.

Babdoc · 06/01/2019 19:50

I suppose as usual the poor old taxpayer (via the NHS) will have to pick up the bill years later for all the damage this nonsense is causing.
Not just rib, lung and breast injury, but all the surgical costs of transition, de-transition, and the post op infections and complications of same. Not to mention the legal bill for compensation to people who were wrongly diagnosed as trans when children and pushed into puberty blockers, hormones and sterility.
When will this shit storm end, and society ditch all gender stereotypes, so everyone can just be themselves, without trying to shoehorn into some rigidly defined role?

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 06/01/2019 19:49

As I explained, it’s about offering support. Taking heroin is one of the most dangerous things you can do to your body. I still support a clean needle exchange to make sure that those who do take it don’t unnecessarily subject themselves to even more harm. We’re talking about people with a serious psychological condition. If you think ‘just don’t do it’ will help, fair enough. We will agree to disagree on that one.

WrathofRancidKlopp · 06/01/2019 19:44

Yam
Re: Emmerdale - The whole thing so far has been handled quite well for a tv drama, will be interesting to see where they take it
It will be sympathetic to the transborg cause, I'm sure.

I'm utterly convinced soap writers have been directed by Stonewall since the eighties.

-Prime time tv, children watching
-Diverse subjects, rightly so
-Children permanently estranged from their parents
-Endless, just endless numbers of females being sent to prison. (Try counting them in Corrie.)

And now a trans man: everyone can see, this won't end well.

I wonder what fate they have planned for him? Hmm

R0wantrees · 06/01/2019 19:40

Good and I would rather safer binding for a few years and then cut the binder up than having an irreversible mastectomy

Harm reduction models can be very effective in many circumstances but they always involve support, information, encouragement and enabling the possibility of exiting.

EJennings · 06/01/2019 19:37

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AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:35

And to the ribs also. And can in some cases result in a broken rib puncturing a lung. But hey ho, those of us who have concerns about all of this clearly just aren't being understanding enough.

HollowTalk · 06/01/2019 19:35

There's so much wrong there that it's impossible to know where to start.

ToeToToe · 06/01/2019 19:34

Taking oestrogen is comparable to taking testosterone - not binding. Binding causes actual pain and damage to breast tissue.

R0wantrees · 06/01/2019 19:33

Perhaps... But if these people are adults...

December 2018 Sanchez Manning article, Mail on Sunday:

'Trans activists send out free breast binders to 13-year-olds in unmarked packages... so their parents don't find out'

(extract)
"A transgender charity is giving girls as young as 13 potentially dangerous breast-flattening devices without telling their parents.

The ultra–tight garments can cause ‘horrendous’ health problems including breathing and breastfeeding difficulties, chronic back pain and broken ribs, increasing the chance of a punctured lung.

They are used by a growing number of girls who believe they are the wrong sex to disguise their breasts and make them look like boys.

Now a Mail on Sunday investigation has exposed how a publicly funded organisation is secretly sending the controversial chest binders to schoolgirls in unmarked packages so that parents are kept in the dark.

An undercover reporter posing as a 13-year-old schoolgirl contacted Manchester based MORF, part of the LBGT Foundation, after an angry mother told us that the group had sent her 14-year-old daughter a chest binder without consulting her.

After two short phone calls to the helpline number on its website, our investigator was told a chest binder would be sent in the post free of charge and with no indication of what the package contained." (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6450485/Trans-activists-send-free-breast-binders-13-year-olds.html

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3440120-Mail-online-criticises-Manchester-MORF-charity-for-distributing-binders-to-young-teens

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:31

I think you may be getting a bit confused about the difference between "I do not approve of this thing" and "this thing should be illegal".

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 06/01/2019 19:30

Good and I would rather safer binding for a few years and then cut the binder up than having an irreversible mastectomy. But I do appreciate that I don’t know what it’s like to have GD and that some people will feel that having a mastectomy is better than feeling distress at their body.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 06/01/2019 19:28

Well, stopping support services isn’t going to have a great effect imo. Same as stopping support services in other areas.

I see what you mean re female bodies but obv TW often take estrogen which also brings about significant changes. I just think that if we as a society tolerate quite serious body modifications through surgery and fillers and waist-training but then say that a support group to teach people who bind to do so safely, it’s a bit hypocritical.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:26

An example of a non-traditional bra would be the ones that have decorative and entirely non-functional extra straps. Not a device designed to make it look as if the wearer has no breasts at all.

R0wantrees · 06/01/2019 19:24

Important article by Lily Maynard which shows the reality of binders on young female bodies.

There is a very moving and powerful enbedded video by Kat who has come to profound realisations about the relationship with binding, self harm and abuse. As part of Kat's commitment to a healthier future, she cuts up the binder.

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/10/28/im-feeling-ecstatic-and-scared-and-mums-feeling-sick-young-women-binding/

ChattyLion · 06/01/2019 19:24

That quoted extract in the OP seemed to imply that a binder is some kind of ‘non- traditional bra’? Hmm

That would be like saying foot binding constrictors are a non-traditional form of shoes. Just absolutely no.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:21

I personally don't feel that expanding the range of normalized bodily mutilation is a good thing. Others may disagree.

It is funny how it's always female bodies that just "need" to be controlled, reined in, made less visible, isn't it?

ToeToToe · 06/01/2019 19:15

It always reminds me of foot binding too. And it's always women who undergo these long-term painful body alteration practices too, isn't it? FGM, foot binding, neck rings, whale bone corsets...

I imagine I feel a fraction of the pain of binding when I wear one of my sports bras which is too small, as it was bought when I was much skinnier than I am now. I get back and shoulder pain within an hour.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 06/01/2019 19:15

Perhaps... But if these people are adults... Lots of people used to say that sex education and contraception in schools encouraged underage sex. I am guessing these people will do it anyway- not sign up just because someone is running a class to help those who do it. I don’t have gender dysphoria so I don’t know what it’s like to feel enormous distress at my own body, but I think ‘just don’t do it’ is probably too simplistic.

I also don’t like people slicing their bodies open and inserting bags of silicone into their chests for cosmetic reasons, but I know that I wouldn’t eg want to stop a website helping people do it safely (eg reputable surgeon, don’t go abroad etc). There’s loads of body mutilation going on, but some of it is normalised and some is not.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:08

I don't think that's true at all. Social contagion is leading to lots of young women binding for reasons that would not have been recognized as gender dysphoria even 5 or 10 years ago.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 06/01/2019 19:06

For people who bind, most of them have a serious psychological condition and binding makes them feel better. Saying ‘just don’t do it’ probably isn’t that helpful. Same with other behaviour that’s not good and that we don’t want to encourage- eg schemes like clean needles for drug addicts or providing condoms to underage teens or sex workers. The point is to try to encourage them to do it safely.

PlatypusPie · 06/01/2019 19:04

A century on from female bodies escaping heavy duty corseting and lacing , that shoved organs out of place and made free movement difficult , and they are doing this to themselves. 😔

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:01

Still a bit "let's get that anorexic on a more healthy 800 calories a day and under diet", honestly.

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