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Dr H says most ‘trans’ kids don’t need intervention until quite late on if at all???

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GiantKitten · 05/01/2019 21:00

Some interesting tweets from Dr Adrain (incidentally claiming, in the present tense, to work in family practice Confused)

Apparently not following the mermaids party line at all.

Only one of ‘a wide range of kids’ he’s seen has needed to be referred for specialist assessment Hmm

It’s in response to this thread (though he’s quote-tweeted instead of replying)

mobile.twitter.com/giagia/status/1080845323294175234

Dr H says most ‘trans’ kids don’t need intervention until quite late on if at all???
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ReflectentMonatomism · 07/01/2019 13:00

there are parents saying "my 6yo says he's really a girl" and others backing them up

That's really sad. My hope is obviously not fulfilled Sad

drspouse · 07/01/2019 12:51

reflect Not really. On groups like huge FB buy sell groups with very wide demographics, there are parents saying "my 6yo says he's really a girl" and others backing them up, from all walks of life and all corners of the country.

BettyDuMonde · 07/01/2019 12:35

It may be that some parents were prompted to view their child differently following the ITV drama, 'Butterfly

Yes, along with Jazz Jennings and a seemingly endless parade of puff ‘documentaries’ and magazine programme segments on ‘Trans kids’

R0wantrees · 07/01/2019 12:26

I suppose these days a well-meaning teacher, fresh from their Allsorts/Mermaids PowerPoint session, might well recommend a parent take a non conforming kid to their GP for referral.

It may be that some parents were prompted to view their child differently following the ITV drama, 'Butterfly' (based on Susie Green / Mermaids' perspective)

A recent article in Community Care (Social Care publication) suggested that the drama would be a good training aid for Social Workers:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3448221-Recommendation-that-Butterfly-used-as-training-material-for-social-workers

ReflectentMonatomism · 07/01/2019 12:20

I suppose these days a well-meaning teacher,

Schools are suckers for any old crap, sadly: note the way in which primary school head teachers fell hook, line and sinker for "Brain Gym".

ReflectentMonatomism · 07/01/2019 12:19

I suspect some of them are d) brainwashed by online "support"

I may well be wrong, but I'd like to think that outside the narrow world of London's professional middle classes, such "online support" looks just weird and creepy. It's noticeable that the place they have achieved the greatest incursions has been into left-wing political parties, which are organisations in which the suspension of your critical faculties is pretty much a requirement for admission.

Any news of that Green Party investigation into the Challoners yet? No, I didn't think so.

BettyDuMonde · 07/01/2019 11:55

I suppose these days a well-meaning teacher, fresh from their Allsorts/Mermaids PowerPoint session, might well recommend a parent take a non conforming kid to their GP for referral.

Which is why these ‘training’ sessions need to be carefully regulated, IMO.

My DD’s Macmillan nurse has been going into school to provide info and tailored professional support to my DD’s teachers/TAs/the head etc - I am always invited to attend (and the hospital psychologist is available to advise and support the school staff via telephone). I can envisage that a similar support system would be useful for those kids who actually have a gender dysphoria diagnosis?

But if Macmillan did blanket power point training re: kids cancers and cancer related illnesses, you’d probably end up with a bunch of well-meaning teachers thinking every bruised kid had Leukaemia!

drspouse · 07/01/2019 11:44

I suspect some of them are d) brainwashed by online "support" and told it's the only way to get a referral for GIDS.

ReflectentMonatomism · 07/01/2019 11:39

Why would you take a child to see the GP for liking the 'wrong' dollies?

Because you are a fictional parent who exists only in the minds of the entally unstable, I suspect.

However, if someone did take their child to the doctor for playing with the "wrong" toys, would they be more likely to be (a) a woke Notting Hill hipster, mad keen to have a trans child to virtue signal with (b) a violent bigot who wants aversion therapy to keep their child on the "straight and narrow" or (c) a normal person? (a) or (b) is a bit of a toss up, but (c)? I think not.

VickyEadie · 07/01/2019 11:12

Why would you take a child to see the GP for liking the 'wrong' dollies? hmm No wonder the NHS is on its arse. If that's true of course.

It's a big fat lie (I'm guessing that in his trainee role, he'll have had precisely zero such patients so far); however, as consultations are confidential, he knows it's a claim he can make which he cannot be made to evidence.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 07/01/2019 11:10

Why would you take a child to see the GP for liking the 'wrong' dollies? Hmm No wonder the NHS is on its arse. If that's true of course.

OlennasWimple · 07/01/2019 11:07

His LinkedIn profile says that he is a trainee GP and A&E locum Hmm

(And on the side bar where it says who people also searched for, Posie Parker is the first result Smile )

R0wantrees · 07/01/2019 10:36

Lots of adult males wear pink.
Few boys do (can?)
In recently transcribed Mermaids Charity training for teachers, liking pink, sparkly things and wanting to have long hair means a male identifies with the 'Princess Barbie jellybaby' & the possibility 'he is a girl in a boy's body.'

from recent thread:
Imherefornow wrote:
"Here are the links to the transcripts thanks to a wonderful mumsnet collaboration. Share as you will Smile

docs.google.com/document/d/1NDOMlo2aEpBl2ySfKdEWCb1H94tZciKiqUffjH1ku0Y/edit?usp=sharing

docs.google.com/document/d/1aeFV0T6j4PXvm1xZBS_50oSJYV-_gO8YMoFjKjNA_9Y/edit?usp=sharing

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training?pg=10

ReflectentMonatomism · 07/01/2019 10:22

200 years ago pink used to be a fashionable men's colour

And today. In the slightly blokey affluent classes, pink shirts are a thing. Rugby playing City types. I bet Prince Harry has a few.

Racecardriver · 07/01/2019 10:16

Well no actually. He is saying that a whole bunch of kids have been brought in by anxious parents because they don’t fit a stereotype and only one of them actually turned out to be possibly trans.

nettie434 · 07/01/2019 10:09

Papayasareyum
Could well be part of it too
Drspouse
Maybe on a training programme?
Retirednotexpired
Grin

drspouse · 07/01/2019 09:24

I thought he was a hospital doctor?

papayasareyum · 07/01/2019 09:18

when I read his comments about gender conformity recently, I assumed it was in response to the GMC thing, a preemptive strike if you will. (To show that he can behave and tone down the extreme beliefs.)

nettie434 · 07/01/2019 09:14

Think comments were to dismiss views of people like Gia Milinovich & Stella O’Malley who say they worry they would be encouraged to transition if they were young girls today. Gia has not taken this lying down: twitter.com/giagia/status/1081531516721774592?s=21

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OlennasWimple · 06/01/2019 20:13

In the rare moments where he's not enraged with a woman he comes across as if he's patting us on the head

Someone wise once observed how odd it is that even those who claim to be gender blind and don't assume how others identify are still able to tell which group of people to patronise

AngryAttackKittens · 06/01/2019 19:12

In the rare moments where he's not enraged with a woman he comes across as if he's patting us on the head.

RetiredNotExpired · 06/01/2019 19:08

The Good Doctor Haddock is an arrogant misogynistic arsehole.

I wouldn't read anything into his recent comments other than his desire to pontificate "I know more than you, so back into your place you go little lady."

ScipioAfricanus · 06/01/2019 13:31

I'm also curious when he began identifying as a GP working at a normal practice.

Grin
R0wantrees · 06/01/2019 13:02

US account of the blue-pink switch for babies and children:
'The History Of Pink For Girls, Blue For Boys'

by Margaret Hartmann

"Pastel baby clothes were introduced in the mid-19th century, but according to University of Maryland historian Jo B. Paoletti, author of Pink and Blue: Telling the Girls From the Boys in America, the colors weren't gender-specific at first. From Smithsonian.com:

Ladies' Home Journal article in June 1918 said, "The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl." Other sources said blue was flattering for blonds, pink for brunettes; or blue was for blue-eyed babies, pink for brown-eyed babies, according to Paoletti.

In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene's told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle's in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago.

In the 1940s manufacturers settled on pink for girls and blue for boys, so Baby Boomers were raised with wearing the two colors. But that wasn't the end of the story. Paoletti says that due to the women's liberation movement, more unisex baby clothes came into style in the late '60s and '70s. Yet pink and blue came back in the mid-'80s, with the development of prenatal testing. Once parents could find out whether they were having a boy or a girl, they could outfit their nursery in the "appropriate" color. Manufacturers pushed the fad too after realizing affluent parents would buy a whole new set of baby products once they found out Junior was expecting a little sister." (continues)
jezebel.com/5790638/the-history-of-pink-for-girls-blue-for-boys