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Normalisation of sexual fetishism

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QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 09:30

Just reading this story about a man with infantilism abusing a child

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sick-abuser-nappy-fetish-jailed-15579002

There are NHS doctors such as Dr. Christina Richards (transgender, gender clinic psychologist) who have written books www.amazon.co.uk/Sexuality-Gender-Mental-Health-Professionals/dp/085702843X?tag=mumsnetforum-21 to say all such fetishes are perfectly healthy, not paraphilic or to be judged. Indeed the phrase 'kink shaming' is used against those who suggest that role-playing paedophilia or similar activities is harmful.

What do we think about the 'thou shalt not judge' culture of saying that all sexual behaviour is a matter for those practising it?

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deepwatersolo · 21/12/2018 12:19

Funding
This study was sponsored by a team grant to the Groupe de Recherche sur les Agresseurs Sexuels (GRAS, Jean Proulx, director) from the Fonds de Recherche Québécois sur la Société et la Culture (FRQSC).

The study's author:
theconversation.com/profiles/christian-joyal-143982

ravenlover · 21/12/2018 12:18

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QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 12:17

" engaging in dangerous derailing and attempts to paint pedophila as just another fetish which is a) a common pedophile tactic and b) acknowledged by pretty much all experts as dangerous and a slippery slope towards normalising pedophila (as several posters have pointed out)."

Again, you are gaslighting here. I said that infantilism is NOT normal.

That is not normalising paedophilia.

If you think that linking sexual fetishes and paedophilia is normalising paedophilia, rather than, say, highlighting the links between those perversions and paedophilia that is entirely on you.

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ravenlover · 21/12/2018 12:16

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deepwatersolo · 21/12/2018 12:15

No, ravenlover, the article I posted does not say homosexuality is a disorder. Please point to any flaws in the sicentific method of the paper I provided, if you want to refute it. Smear by association does not cut it.

deepwatersolo · 21/12/2018 12:13

anyone who likes spanking is...likely to be a pedophila

said no one ever. likely would mean >50% chance.

ravenlover · 21/12/2018 12:13

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deepwatersolo · 21/12/2018 12:11

No wait, David Challenor had no nappy fetish, or did he? Identifying as 10 year old Lucy, he would not have worn nappies during the torture sessions of the poor child he victimized? Wouldn't want to smear him. Hmm

deepwatersolo · 21/12/2018 12:07

In ICD-10 (World Health Organization 1992), the paraphilias are classified as disorders of sexual preference. Six specific disorders are listed: fetishism, fetishistic transvestism, exhibitionism, voyeurism, pedophilia and sadomasochism. Three further categories denote ‘multiple disorders of sexual preference’, ‘other disorders of sexual preference’ and ‘disorder of sexual preference, unspecified’.

DSM5 Makes a change that makes it possible for an individual to engage in consensual atypical sexual behaviour without being labelled with a mental disorder, by stating the individual or someone else feels distress by it.

I call bullshit semantics. Still a faulty wiring in one's brain to enjoy self-harm or the harm of others. Smoking is an addiction that destroys your body, doesn't mean everyone who smokes needs therapy, because, if you don't consciously suffer - why quit? The person is still an addict, though.

Indeed, I will retract that you are more likely to be a paedophile if you are into a parphiliaAfter all, paedophilia is a paraphilia, so this makes no sense. The one study I have here finds correlations between different paraphilia.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1139034?scroll=top&needAccess=true

(I do remember a discussion during the Challenor case, where Challenor's paedophilia, sadism, crossdressing and nappy fetish all rolled into one were discussed in terms of paraphilia quite often being a accompanied by one another, and Blanchard said something to the effect, too, but on the fly I have no study to support it).

You will see in the study I provided that paedophilia is observed as a paraphilia, just like Sadism, Masochism, Fetishism, Exhibitionism....

QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 12:07

why are you asking people to google you? If it's you, you could just link what you are talking about. And I'm not sure in that case, why you think this is relevant.

I know, by the way, that the infamous Neville Southall 'adult baby takeover' was claimed to be therapy for child sexual abuse victims, yet it didn't take more than 30 seconds to find that it was completely unregulated/self-administered and was in many cases abusive including involving actual children.

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Melanippe · 21/12/2018 12:07

raven, could you pick out what you're positing as "NAMBLA talking points" for me please? I'm confused as to what you believe those are, thanks.

ravenlover · 21/12/2018 12:06

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feministfairy · 21/12/2018 12:06

None of this is OK - yet it is so hard to talk about. You are generally piled on and being accused of being a prude / uptight/ censorious (take your pick) . Back in the day we were able to identify children being exposed to 'age inappropriate' materials - films, tv, magazines or adults without boundaried - and put measures in place to protect them. Nowadays even mainstream TV "celebrates" kinks resulting in children being exposed to what is often traumatising material, yet people don't appear to care.

starcrossedseahorse · 21/12/2018 12:05

But raven that is NOT what people are saying. Why are you pretending that they are?

ravenlover · 21/12/2018 12:02

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Bowlofbabelfish · 21/12/2018 12:01

At least they have the generational experience to make the comparison.

Yup. I’d not be putting up with that shit. Sex is supposed to be fun for both parties, not something one party does to another. As a young woman though, who knows how I’d have reacted? Probably with more accommodation and less ‘not a chance, pal.’

feministfairy · 21/12/2018 12:00

We shouldn't forget Stonewall appointing to their 'trans advisory board' someone accused of knowingly employing a paedophile and publishing their personal nappy fetish online. What message does that give to adolescents turning to such a 'charity' for advice?

starcrossedseahorse · 21/12/2018 11:59

Sorry but ravenlover is ringing some alarm bells with me.

starcrossedseahorse · 21/12/2018 11:57

And people like Madigan pushing prostitution as a positive work option for victims of austerity.

BlindYeo · 21/12/2018 11:56

Hear hear captain. And bowl.

A whole lot of shit is being pushed as normal and acceptable these days that just plain isn't. I think a whole generation of girls are already out there having been utterly gaslit by porn.

I've also got friends going back into the dating scene and finding it's a different world. At least they have the generational experience to make the comparison.

BettyDuMonde · 21/12/2018 11:56

I think it’s probably really important to link these two threads together:

Warning - Includes graphic description of intimate injury, leading to death.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3456679--TRIGGER-WARNING-Powerful-message-from-a-midwife-re-the-murder-of-Natalie-Connolly-TRIGGER-WARNING

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QuietContraryMary · 21/12/2018 11:56

"Accusing a child rape victim"

I don't see the relevance of this here except as an attempt to silence & control the debate.

"Claiming that pedophila is just another form of sexual fetish "

Nobody has done that.

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