Rachel McKinnon on Radio Five Live

Oh I don't know. When there's a scandal going on in plain sight it's always interesting what aspect breaks through into the public consciousness. It's often an important side issue rather than the core of the scandal itself, in this case women's safety and safeguarding of children.

Go into a normal non-hipster pub, show these pictures around, and see what the general reaction is. The woke echo chambers will resist this until the very end but if this gets into the public consciousness their arguments about no differences between the sexes will make them look very foolish.

@Avegemitesandwich,

"They will never convince the general public that this is OK."

Unfortunately outside of Mumsnet, there are not many places which are aware of this whole trans issue.
The reason I joined here, as a bloke, was because this is the only place where I can share similar views on this subject.
Like your DH, it was McKinnon who peak transed me, and I started a thread on a cycling forum. I was really surprised by some of the replies, saying that I was transphobic, even one of the women accused me of being bigoted.
If this is left unchecked it could well destroy women's sport.

I, for one, am currently silently terrified for that female- born boxer.

Yes, me too.

I had a similar reaction to (now deleted) discussion about a young female-born person's embrace of being a 'gay porn star'

I, for one, am currently silently terrified for that female- born boxer.

Not sure if it’s partly my age (I watched Michael Watson receive life-changing brain injuries live on TV) or some ingrained horror about Male bodies victimising female bodies?

My DH was ‘peaked’ by the Fallon Fox/Tamikka Brents fight so I suspect this situation has the potential to do the same - consenting to putting oneself in danger in this manner does not feel like real consent at all.

Rachel McKinnon also said that she had received 100,000 hostile tweets in relation to her victory

Im sure other sports men and women throughout history whose actions are perceived as cheating / not fair receive many comments to that effect.

McKinnnon is dawing a false equivilence and presenting the difference as being solely because they are a transwoman rather than a transman eg trans misogyny.

This is the hierarchy of oppression model that many transwomen use. It places them at the centre.

Transmen are afforded male privilege because 'trans men are men' etc

McKinnon is a really vile, vile creature

But why the one sided reporting. DD was a county level sports player and from mid teens was often invited to play with one of the adult womens teens. This is normal and a way of progressing good juniors. I thought is was great as she met lots of lovely supportive role models. I, and the team, would have thought twice if she faced playing a team with players with the size and strength of Hannah Mouncey or Rachel McKinnon. Since when did the BC lose interest in encouraging female participation in sport.

Not a single probing question. No challenge to the statistics. I hope the new BBC trans lead is there to ensure accurate reporting of trans issues, not just to promote them.

McKinnon kind of peak transed my DH, who has largely been sick of me going on about the issue all the time. I showed him that picture of McKinnon on the winners podium and he said he thought they were someone giving out the prizes to the women (you know like the male TDFers get their prizes given to them by women) or something and was pretty horrified. He then stood up and in a gruff voice went 'eh up ladies, I'm' ere for the bike race' and was basically laughing at how ridiculous it is that McKinnon was able to to compete against females.

They will never convince the general public that this is OK.

McKinnon, who transitioned in her late-20s, says that results in "pretty radical physiological changes", with muscle mass, strength and speed all reduced. It also, claims McKinnon, "compounds ageing".

In essence, she maintains, it puts them on a similar level to women of the same size, and there are set limits to the amount of testosterone transgender athletes can have in their bodies before they compete. That is an issue currently being debated in women's athletics.

"compounding ageing" and "radical physiological changes" are irrelevant - you still can't change sex. By this logic you might as well have competitions for 'women and older or less fit men' or 'women and male athletes with a disability'.

This bit doesn't make sense either:

Critics say it is unfair to have a trans woman competing in female sport with a biologically male body, though McKinnon says that view goes against point four of the International Olympic Committee charter, which says: "The practice of sport is a human right."

Plenty of people can't take part in the Olympics, and plenty of people can't take part in some sports because of physical (or financial), limitiations, but nobody is stopping McKinnon from practicing or taking part in sport - the only issue is correct classification.

I turned it off as soon as it started as I knew it would just be a puff piece and allow unchallenged opinion to be put forward as fact. It's infuriating that people like MacKinnon keep getting airtime without any critical thought whatsoever.

Related article from the BBC website:
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/46453958

Rachel McKinnon also believes that testosterone doesn't improve male sporting performance, which logically leads to the question: what does? Could it be their male arms, legs and torsos?

Anyway, it's looking like the Brazilian volleyball team will bring this issue to a head in 2020.

There is a lack of critical thinking in this country

Also it seems lost research skills in what it still described as 'journalism'

Such a lack of integrity.

Whether this is because of the nature of rolling news and time pressures or fundamental principles I don't know. Likely a combination of both with additional factors.

Did this interview seem likely to to be repeated?
Can it be listened to again on catch up with a time clue ?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

There is a lack of critical thinking in this country. Sadly it is the BBC broadcasting this view a supposedly balanced source of journalism. It will create sympathy in a lot of people. Disgusting that it wasnt challenged.

Haven't heard the interview. But surel, surely most listeners, male or female, will hear this sort of thing and think "what a load of shit".

This made me so cross. No attempt to challenge either interviewee.