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Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

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crsacre · 16/12/2018 00:51

A transgender charity that campaigns for children to be given prohibited sex-change treatment has been awarded £500,000 by the national lottery.

The payment to Mermaids has angered MPs, feminists and women’s organisations, who accuse the charity of bullying doctors, promoting falsehoods and using “emotional blackmail” to pressure parents to support life-changing medical interventions for their children. Mermaids will use the money to create a network of 45 groups nationwide.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-sex-change-charity-handed-500-000-by-national-lottery-dvbt7t2kb?shareToken=cd8d6faad97cd9dd3fe3f16eb3810f45

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/12/2018 16:29

Someone is cross.

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 16:21

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1061694868454588419

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 15:46

Liked by the good doctor, I see

I hadn't seen that Dr Adrian Harrop had liked Sue Pascoe's comment.

He has a keen interest in the media & I think is a media spokesperson. Surprised he too seems not to understand this about investigative journalism.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3412316-Dr-Adrian-Harrop-thread-the-fourth-GMC-do-care-have-taken-it-to-the-next-level

Ereshkigal · 16/12/2018 15:45

Indeed.

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 15:43

I'm hoping that Gilligan will reply with his journalism credentials since these are the qualifications on which he has written the article.

Just as journalists investigate other stories of public interest, they are not required to be qualified in the subject area.

Given Pascoe's recent appointment to Channel 4, it concerns me she doesn't seem to understand this basic premise

Ereshkigal · 16/12/2018 15:41

Liked by the good doctor, I see.

LangCleg · 16/12/2018 15:38

harmful to children

JFC.

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 15:33

Sue Pascoe (Channel 4 inclusion advisor, MESMAC trustee and potential Conservative candidate) in response to Andrew Gilligan.

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383926-Sue-Pascoe
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)
R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 15:24

This gives the media a huge amount of power over how trans people are portrayed and understood by the UK population

The trans lobbies have significant power over the media and how trans people are portrayed and understood by the UK population.

The ITV drama Butterfly was screened in October with a great deal of supportive TV and newspaper interviews.

Interview with 'fiercemum' another influential Mermaids parent often interviewed challenging NHS GIDS service:
metro.co.uk/2018/10/28/itvs-butterfly-has-come-at-a-crucial-time-but-it-doesnt-represent-my-reality-of-having-a-trans-child-8073207/

happydappy2 · 16/12/2018 15:23

Mermaids days are numbered.....I hazard a guess they will fall apart within a year-the fact that Susie is so personally involved makes their whole premise deeply flawed. Of course she is desperate for confirmation that what she did was right-but she needs to get her narrative out of classrooms.

Needmoresleep · 16/12/2018 15:18

the trans population in the UK is STILL very small

not if Mermaids have their way?

Candidpeel · 16/12/2018 15:14

I've sent an FOI request for the grant application and for Big Lottery Fund's assessment documents of it.

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 15:08

For context, November 2018 Gaystar News article by 'mimmymum' one of Mermaids' parents (volunteer/employee?) active on Twitter:

'Is the UK media responsible for fueling anti-trans hate?
Why did mainstream media ignore a warning from the UN about the dangers facing the trans community?'
(extract)
"The reality is that the end of October marked the end of an 18 month campaign by a small group of individuals on a mission to roll-back trans rights – all dressed up as ‘concern for women’s protections’ in response to the GRA consultation.

While the hostilities initially started on social media platforms, by the end of the year-long government consultation process, anti-trans articles were appearing at alarming frequency in national news platforms and broadcast media. Campaigning ‘feminist’ groups scoured the country trying to recruit women to their trans-hostile ideological cause.

A small number of visible trans people, family members and disparate supporters stood in the way of this barrage of relentless misinformation and demands for ‘debate’, backed up by a handful of LGBT organisations like Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence and Mermaids.

Dubbed ‘trans rights activists’ and accused of ‘silencing’, the reality was far from that splashed across the front pages of national newspapers.

In fact, the majority of articles in the UK news media over the last 18 months have been predominantly negative about trans people and those who support them.

With headlines such as ‘Trans extremists are putting equality at risk’ and ‘Feminist poster banned because it “could offend trans people”‘, some news platforms tripped over themselves to seek out stories to undermine and demonise trans people and their allies.

With only the occasional neutral or positive article thrown in for the appearance of ‘balance’, the ‘modus operandi’ for journalists had become one of ‘kicks for clicks’ in overtly or subtly attacking trans people. In this environment, it’s no surprise that any trans-positive voice – even that of the UN – was overlooked.

While the statement by the UN and accompanying report talked about overt aggression, discrimination and hostility towards transgender communities around the world, it is clear that the media narrative around the transgender community has a part to play in the public’s general understanding of trans people.

Contrary to the disproportionately large number of news articles, the trans population in the UK is still very small, so the likelihood that the public will come into contact in any meaningful way with a trans person, is relatively unlikely.

This gives the media a huge amount of power over how trans people are portrayed and understood by the UK population." (continues)

www.gaystarnews.com/article/is-the-uk-media-responsible-for-fueling-anti-trans-hate/#gs.4HWAkkM

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 14:47

I think the tweets came from WPATH 2018 Argentina

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3414279-Can-we-talk-about-WPATH

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 16/12/2018 14:40

Those tweets by Susie Green are shocking.

Aren't they just.

hackmum · 16/12/2018 14:39

Good to see some pretty supportive comments on the Times article. People are finally starting to get this.

Ereshkigal · 16/12/2018 14:36

Those tweets by Susie Green are shocking.

feministfairy · 16/12/2018 14:29

The comments under that Times article are fantastic! Intelligent and informative.

HermioneWeasley · 16/12/2018 13:21

Can everyone write their complaints to Dawn Austwick [email protected] and urge others to do so.

CleanArea · 16/12/2018 12:41

Email to lotto complaints.

I was disturbed to read the article by Andrew Gilligan in today's Sunday Times which states that a Lotto grant of £500000 has been approved for the charity Mermaids.
This charity has been actively promoting the medicalisation of gender non conforming young children, many of whom have autism.
Mermaids advocate the use of drugs which are unlicensed for children and are known to cause long term health problems in adults. They also push for sterilization of under age children and mutilation of their healthy bodies.
This is a child abuse scandal on a grand scale which will in time be looked back on with incredulity and horror.
Mermaids also use discredited suicide statistics to guilt trip parents and carers to affirm without question any child who is struggling with their gender identity.
Mermaids is not a support group for parents and children - it actively promotes physical harm to children who are not even old enough to buy one of your lottery tickets.
As a former gender non conforming child and now a healthy happy gender non conforming female mother of children I'm glad they were not around to encourage my sterilization.
Please, do your research and do not allow Mermaids to harm more children. I'm assuming you do not fund "pro ana" anorexia websites? Or provide funds to assist children in self harming? If not, why not?

I look forward to your statement withdrawing your support for this organisation. Until then I will be cancelling my lotto account and donating money directly to a charity which helps children to grow up into healthy, happy individuals no matter how they identify.

R0wantrees · 16/12/2018 12:31

James Kirkup Spectator May 2018
'Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?'

(extract)
"The other column that [Stephen Doughty MP] was so interested in also concerned children. In particular, he was struck by the Times’ headline using the phrase “trans lobby”. This, for reference, was on a column that argued that a number of changes in policy and convention are being made at the urging of groups advocating things that they say would benefit transgender people which, the columnist suggested, were not in the best interests of children. “You will understand why that is a particular concern, given the previous use of “gay lobby”, “Jewish lobby” and all of those sorts of things,” Doughty said. “Do you think the use of the phrase “trans lobby” is an appropriate one?”

As it happens, Dr Carmichael in her lecture said some things that seem relevant here:

“Gender has become amazingly topical and we have to be really careful not to assume that anyone is exploring or questioning their gender is going to want to change their bodies in line with that. The extremes on either side are not helpful. We need to look at the grey areas in between. To do that we need to be able to talk and discuss these issues. All too often stakeholders become lobby groups.”

She did not name any stakeholder. But her words might be relevant to a charity called Mermaids. Mermaids is a charity that describes itself as “a support group for children and young people with gender dysphoria and their families”. Its CEO, Susie Green describes herself as “parent to a daughter who was born male.” Mermaids is a relatively small charity (it had income of £127,000 in the year to March 2017) with a big reach. It has prominent backers and its advice and recommendations have been absorbed and adopted by many public bodies.

Some people in the gender debate say harsh and critical things about Mermaids. I am not doing so here. My suggestion is that Green, having had her own family experience of transgender issues, has decided to devote herself to charitable work in the hope of offering what she believes as help to others who need it. The same is true of several others who work or volunteer at Mermaids. Read this for a moving account of how devoted some parents are to Mermaids for their help.

Despite its influence, it is worth noting what Mermaids is not. It is not a research body. Its activities are support (for families) and advocacy: based on its contacts with those families, it argues for what it sees are better policies and practices by the NHS and others. It does not carry out or commission clinical or academic research. Its most recent annual report lists among its charitable activities “campaigning and advocacy” and says: “Mermaids has also become more active in lobbying”.

There is regular dialogue between Mermaids and the GIDS, but the two sides do not always agree. An example is on the time the GIDS team take to give referred children the hormone-blocking drugs that stop their bodies developing the physical characteristics associated with their birth sex.

In evidence to another Commons inquiry in 2015, Mermaids argued that GIDS should make such drugs available much more quickly. The GIDS team has generally resisted that call, more than once saying that “any decision around hormone treatment needs time and considered thought.”

And in evidence to that earlier committee, Dr Bernadette Wren of the GIDS said this:

“I know that Susie and Mermaids would like a fast track so that young people who are already well into puberty and feel that they know that they want to move forward into physical intervention would bypass our assessment process and move straight into physical intervention. We feel that is not an ethical way to practise.”

Here’s another summary. A transgender charity that says it is engaged in lobbying lobbied politicians and doctors to change the way children are treated by doctors. The doctors declined to make that change because it would be not be ethical to do so." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Waterparc · 16/12/2018 12:24

I have taken a screenshot of the cartoon. Congratulations on an important piece of work Sandy.
Has anyone alerted Private Eye?

TheSteveMilliband · 16/12/2018 12:03

Thankyou for posting langcleg, that's a brilliant outline.

LangCleg · 16/12/2018 11:58

Not my complaint but I have seen this round up of points and suggestions posted elsewhere. Copied here with permission Hope it helps!

Preamble:
Grant awarded
Spread the group round the country
Children should be supported themselves
Concerned treatment for gender dysphoria in children should be evidence-led

What the charity campaigns for:
Affirms ‘gender identity’ in kids
Treats boys and girls as homogenous populations
Takes this message to schools and youth groups
Advocates for early social transition and blockers
May have argued for hormones for kids

Why this is a problem:

Views cross-gender identification as innate thus irreversible yet what we know says the opposite
Boys and girls treated the same although aetiology are different, even each sex has different aetiologies
Gender nonconformity is being coded that the child is trans
The narratives are either metaphysical or based on cultural stereotypes
GNC in children is known to be indicative of homosexuality in later life
Blockers are risky and self-fulfil transition. No puberty.
Effects of drugs and surgery effect infertility and make child sterile

Why Mermaids are not to be trusted:

Approach is not evidence based eg no evidence for gender identity and ignores what we know of resistance
Actively campaigned to suppress research into gender dysphoria in children eg Littman/ROGD
Susie Green, circumvents the law to get the chop at 16.
Abuse of suicide statistics
Activism based on stereotypes (GI Joe v Barbie)
Tying cultural preferences to child’s body wrong for their personality
Aggressive activism tactics, vectoring AGPs in abusive pile-ons against women

Conclusion
Faith based group pushing extreme body modification on children
Ultimately their mission is cruel, telling children they are wrong
Tactics are abusive because they can’t defend approach with arguments
Ask them to reconsider the award