Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

Twelve fold increase to traffic landing via feminism. Doesn’t include people who go in via ‘I’m on’ or talk home then come here (I think.)

So pop another few zeros on that few hundred.

After all, if we are a toxic teeny echo chamber, there’s no need to monitor us is there? We’d be irrelevant.

Of course if MN was hundreds of thousands of women of all colours, religions, creeds, races and classes, united by their shared biology and what it means for them in today’s world then that’d be a powerful force wouldn’t it? What a lovely thought that is. White women, black women, brown women, atheist women, Christian women, Jewish women, Irish women, British women, women from all over the world. Rich women, poor women, all levels of education and experience. All women together. Talking. Sometimes about prams. Sometimes about mobilising to counter the biggest threat to their rights in the last century.

FABULOUS. What a power for good! Imagine if women the world over could do that, transcending the usual things that divide like politics, national boundaries and religion.

Imagine if just 1% of women worldwide united. Or more. Just imagine.

Just imagine, Jess. Wouldn’t it be great?

God Joss Prior comes over as a loon in that article doesn't Joss?

Yup. The paranoia running through that article is impressive. Who the fuck wastes their life monitoring a women’s rights board?

People who hate women, that’s who!

That first paragraph about John McDonnell and his mumsnet webchat.

What on earth has that got to do with anything? The article didn't even mention what he/we discussed.

And then the rest of the article makes no mention of it again.

It looked like that paragraph had been put in by mistake. Or some really laughable "this is actually a serious article about modern-day politics innit" thing which is swiftly abandoned after the first paragraph.

Most odd.

We should stick to discussing nappies and dealing with temper tantrums (the kind thrown by 2-year-olds, not 20-something transwomen).

On the plus side, dealing with the temper tantrums of two year olds is excellent practice for dealing with the whiny, self-absorbed narcissistic temper tantrums of the average TRA.

I requested this ages back and heard nothing from MNHQ

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3302495-This-is-how-traffic-to-the-feminism-board-has-increased

With permission I’d like to order some nice bed linen for the hotbeds. Any preferences? I’m torn between Htc cotton or something snuggly - a soft terry? I’ll have a look on MN recommendations.

I'm so making that liqueur sackrifice

Still now more people will seek out the forum. Cheers for the advertising! Streisand Effect. Nice.

To read this you’d think it were Mumsnet users doing illegal things, whereas Eve happily minimises what was done by former staff who did actual illegal things.

Yes. The "brave whistleblower" narrative for a sneaky doxxing female ally of aggressive male people, who put MN users at risk without a second thought is nauseating. And shitty.

The addition of hotbeds has really brightened up the place.

One time I came here, I accidentally found myself on this board and thought 'bloody hell, these women are good!'. Good as in articulate, passionate, informed, determined. That's what spurred me into signing up, quite recently.

Snap, Retired I came a couple of months ago for information re the GRA consultation and stayed because of the hugely invigorating quality of the debate.

I made a top notch coffee liqueur last festive season. Thoroughly recommended. And top top it all off, i hardly drink. I didn't finish the half bottle until late summer.

www.creative-culinary.com/better-than-kahlua-coffee-liqueur/

I don't think I've ever mentioned my own race on MN.

I also think it's hypocritical of Vice to assume I'm white based simply on the colour of my skin. They have no Idea what ethnicity I self identify as.

Well I did try to wade through that pile of shite but, despite being fortified by a G&T, I had to give up. Of course we focus on this trans menace, they're trying to erase us FFS. What are we supposed to do - let them take over?

Hestia - thanks for that Greer quote. It has particular relevance to me with something going on at work this week. I think I may have to use it.

Dreadful hatchet job. I'd never heard of Eve Livingston before but now agree she is indeed a witless handmaiden.

There’s no attempt to even make an argument. Just hand-wringing over the awful women who dare to do things, such as referring to men as men, which she and her mates have unilaterally decided are unacceptable. That’s not how it works love.

To read this you’d think it were Mumsnet users doing illegal things, whereas Eve happily minimises what was done by former staff who did actual illegal things.

Good point about kiwi farms. Despite the fact that they really do use horrendous language to describe trans people, I cannot find a single article about how mean they are.

Weird that, isn't it?

MOMS! Ikr! Why don't they just shut the fuck up! Who said they could talk about politics and have unapproved views about gender ideology?

since baking recipes seem to cause upset, how about this pomegranate cosmo recipe from barefoot contessa. it's what i plan to get pissed on on christmas day.

festive innit?

Well, I'd take that article as a backhanded compliment to the fact that Mumsnet is not only a safe space to discuss these issues, but that what is said here has influence. Otherwise, there would be no need to write a biased article full of sly digs & innuendo in what I'm sure will be a failed attempt to discredit these discussions.

FWIW [waves to the mole], I kept tripping over MN while looking for recommendations on bedlinen. One time I came here, I accidentally found myself on this board and thought 'bloody hell, these women are good!'. Good as in articulate, passionate, informed, determined. That's what spurred me into signing up, quite recently.

If Vice wants to complain about another site on the internet, they can fuck off and clean their own house first.

It’s all about biological essentialism which is at the heart of reinvigorated radical feminism. When you believe that what makes a woman is only her biology, the result is a policing of womanhood and a very narrow academic and ideological perspective of what feminism and gender should be.

Spot on, Christine. As Posie Parker's famous poster said "Woman - adult human female" - you know, the kind who is actually or potentially a Mum. As a newly radicalised grandmother in her 70s, I'm enjoying the comforting warmth of this toxic hotbed on these cold winter evenings.

yy, Hestia, the Greer quotation is very apt here.

I’m not white! How dare they mis-race me. Literal violence, I tell ya

I just don't think that's true. I'd love to see some data from MN re which route people come to MN from, which boards they spend the most time on etc. Has anyone any seen this or similar data?

I requested this ages back and heard nothing from MNHQ. But I have recently seen people referencing this board as one of the biggest drivers to the site so maybe something has been released? If so I'd be grateful if someone can link.

Since they mentioned recipes being used to derail pro trans threads I was wondering if there are any good Christmas bakes anyone wants to share?