Nic Williams on Woman's Hour (Tuesday) talking about sport and gender identity

Thanks banana well done!

Will head over. I was pleased with it, would be good to see what others say. Someone's already highlighted something on twitter.

the message should be the same for amateur and recreational as well - where fair competition and safety are deemed important, by governing bodies and female participants, the ability to segregate sport by sex should be preserved.

I strongly agree. ^^

dolorsit has started a thread on that Guardian piece:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3447681-why-calls-for-athletes-to-compete-as-a-homogenised-group-should-be-resisted

Just read this article in the Guardian
www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/dec/10/calls-athletes-compete-group-resisted

Closing sentence: "Harper and Tucker are clear that calls for all athletes to compete as a homogenised group must be resisted. “It would be a major disaster for women’s sports,” says Tucker. It is hard to disagree."

My thoughts on it - although focusing on elite sport, the message should be the same for amateur and recreational as well - where fair competition and safety are deemed important, by governing bodies and female participants, the ability to segregate sport by sex should be preserved.

how exciting! so pleased you passed on the collective FWR thanks in person - that's fab

JG was so lovely! We got to chat further because I stayed on to record an extended discussion for the WH podcast, so we had a chat in the studio. Mainly about the topics to cover in the podcast but I did express our sincere thanks! I managed not to swear live on R4, although she did tell us beforehand that actually it was an adult show with no watershed so actually to say whatever we liked!

Bananafish - sounds like grand approach. Good luck and enjoy! 👍

bowl yep I've got the links, they were super pieces weren't they?

rightreckoner I absolutely howled at that thread (now in classics) where a poster's husband discovered her having an imaginary interview with JG about her imaginary bestselling novel. Utterly brilliant!

jemina agreed - will try and gently ask (if I get chance, we might just be ushered in and out of the studio for our segment, not sure how it works) if I can mention how thankful we are for the discussions about this issue, (and would love to see more)

Happy to update if it's of any interest :) Will be on Monday morning, usual time, and I'm the one that isn't the Professor and isn't married to the bloke from McFly

Only just caught up with both the programme and the thread. Totally agree with discussions above.

Hope the interview goes well Banana

Very exciting btw! Will you update us after?

Bananafish - re gift - would about a really violet enamel brooch for 'literal violence' (from a recent thread sorry can't remember which one)?

A subtle suffragette marker with a cheeky twist 😉

Re question, I'd love to ask her a Q about BBC policing of the debates .. clearly she's not going to admit it but I'd just like to see her reaction

Oh my god I am jealous bananafish. In my sad fantasy life I know JG and we plot together to take over Radio4, fire John Humphrys, cancel You and Yours and basically put GC feminists in charge of all the programming.

I have actually met her - she was fab. But showed no interest in the slightly crazy lady rattling on at her about the Today programme.

banana

Could you point her towards those two Medium articles? The one today by ‘Sue Donym’ on puberty blockers And the previous one - search the word ‘transborg’ in titles only and you’ll get it. Can link later if needed

Thanks all, and sorry for derailing. Appreciate your input and will do my best!

Have been engaging in a Twitter discussion with JG about the acceptability of the term dildocam on air on Radio 4. This exchange does now mean that when I do actually meet her on Monday that I'm going to be 'the Twitter dildocam woman'. Good to make a memorable first impression and all that. Ahem.

I'm up for taking her a gift from her MN GC crew if we can think of one and sort it out in time. But probably one for another thread as I've derailed this one far too much!

Sincere apols, back to normal service

apologies for the slight derail.
Good luck for Monday bananafish

re Dr Beth Jones, from her university page I was interested to note:

'Sponsors and collaborators
Beth’s main collaborators are Prof Jon Arcelus and Prof Walter Bouman from the University of Nottingham. She has also worked internationally with Dr Tim van de Grift (Amsterdam University Medical Center), Dr Cecilia Dhejne (Karolinska Institutet), Dr Griet De Cuypere (Ghent University).

Beth has also worked collaboratively with the Nottingham Centre for Transgender Health, Gendered Intelligence, Leicester LGBT center and Cancer Research UK.``

Cancer Research UK ran the widely-criticised campaign for 'people with cervixes' and have removed most of the woman/female descriptors from gyny cancer descriptions

Don't worry. Remember to listen. Answer the questions like you are chatting to a friend and she won't want you to make a tit of yourself and will come to your rescue if you flounder. Maybe read something out loud with long tricky words before you go in order to get your tongue, lips and teeth woken up and active.

These are great - thank you! I will do my best

I'm not sure if we get an intro before / after the show, I hope so (as I really want a photo with her!) but will aim to say something after the recording as don't want to get off on a tricky note right before the interview.

But will deffo aim to say something afterwards - not sure of the exact format, the producer is going to send me a confirmation email with timings etc.

Fuck, now I have to try and not make a tit of myself live on air. And also not say fuck.

Ooh i'd love to get her one as a present even if she just slouched around at home wearing a pair of joggies with it!

very impressed bananafish81

I'd tell her how pleased you were to hear the BBC finally airing this debate and that all your friends (we're your friends right?) enjoyed it, talked about it all the time and want to hear more

like haha that would do the job! Might make the photos a tad tricky (also me not having one probably also doesn't help!). But I'm thinking I'll wear my 'nevertheless she persisted' sweatshirt (that I wore to the LAWS event on Friday)

If we could get one in time I could bring one as a gift, although not sure if she'd be able to accept it (and I suspect she wouldn't be able to wear it round the office like JHB )

@bananafish81

Yay! I would ask her how we can get the BBC to give this more air time.

Wow banana go you! Tell her how much support there is for her hosting this debate.
Ask her how we can keep the spotlight on this issue? As a broadcaster who has no doubt faced some tough ‘monitoring’ on this, what is her view on how we achieve more and wider coverage on the issues for women of TRA, GRA and self ID?

Maybe wear an 'adult human female' tshirt to make it easier to broach the subject...

V exciting

Shit the bed, I'm going on WH on Monday, to be interviewed by Jane bloody Garvey.

(not about trans issues)

If I get to sneakily say something to her before / after the show, what do we reckon I should say to her, re her masterful hosting of the trans debates over the last 2 weeks?

Wordthe haven't you got it yet ?
Women must just try harder !
I'm not saying that to Nicola Adams