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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why calls for athletes to compete as a homogenised group should be resisted

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dolorsit · 10/12/2018 14:04

An interesting column from the Guardian's sport blog. Picking up from the discussion on sports in Woman's Hour

www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/dec/10/calls-athletes-compete-group-resisted

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arranbubonicplague · 10/12/2018 14:18

Decent piece but I wish that the author had mentioned Dr Fond of Beetles useful Twitter thread that discusses CAIS (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) which goes beyond discussions of testosterone advantage.

What if we could identify a group of people who had no T? Not female typical T, not lowered to below typical female levels, but no T at all. We’d predict, if T is the only factor that confers sporting advantage, such people would be pretty damn poor at running. 6/

This group of people exists. XY genetic males with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) can produce T, but use not a single molecule of it. They are functionally T-zero. 7/
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The IOC logic (and that of invested parties) tells us that CAIS females are going to be the least competitive of all females. After all, non-CAIS females have at least some T that they can put to use. 9/

The frequency of CAIS in the general population is 1 in 20,000. The frequency of CAIS in female athlete cohorts is 1 in 420. CAIS is nearly 50 times more prevalent in female athletes than in female couch potatoes. This is a massive overrepresentation. 10/

CAIS females succeed as athletes way more often than non-CAIS females. How puzzling that the only thing the IOC asserts confers sporting advantage is functionally absent in these females with clear sporting advantage. 11/

Whatever underpins CAIS female sporting advantage, it is independent of functional T. Thus, the IOC position that T is the only factor influencing sporting advantage - and - the only action a male must take to “fairly” compete against females is to reduce T, is untenable. End/

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1070097483408248835.html

or the following original if you prefer to see comments and discussion:

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1070097483408248835

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 10/12/2018 14:52

I also saw a point somewhere on twitter that the 'pioneering research from Joanna Harper' consisted of a sample of 8 people. So pretty much worthless.

Is pioneering another word for shit, in academic circles?
Will try and find that ref.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 10/12/2018 14:53

Here's the tweet - study 'based on self-reported times of 8 athletes'

twitter.com/wildlx/status/1072137845203222528

So properly shit then.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 10/12/2018 14:58

Found the a bit more info on Joanna Harper and her 'study':

www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/scientist-racing-discover-how-gender-transitions-alter-athletic-performance-including

arranbubonicplague · 10/12/2018 15:20

Re: Harper study.

Tiny amounts of data from a tiny group can be interesting and might even generate hypotheses but can in no way be said to be groundbreaking nor at all authoritative.

silentcrow · 10/12/2018 16:26

Is pioneering another word for shit, in academic circles?

It's definitely code for "please give us more money" whatever subject you're in!

happydappy2 · 10/12/2018 16:35

Was amazed this article was in the Guardian....not like them to print reality on trans issues.

Coyoacan · 10/12/2018 20:40

Was amazed this article was in the Guardian

The Guardian changed direction on this issue a couple of months. It's still totally establishment on everything else though.

NotBadConsidering · 10/12/2018 20:47

Was amazed this article was in the Guardian....not like them to print reality on trans issues.

Sean Ingle has always been “doping critical” with articles without comments. But this is where men start to really care, when it impacts sport.

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