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BBC's John Simpson slams 'gender neutral' toilets at Broadcasting House

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/12/2018 06:46

uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/bbcs-john-simpson-slams-gender-neutral-toilets-broadcasting-house-124925811.html

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AngryAttackKittens · 03/12/2018 08:59

Does anyone actually believe the Beeb converted their entire existing stock of toilet to single occupancy? Not very likely, is it? Thus a very silly attempt at a gotcha.

UpstartCrow · 03/12/2018 08:42

Voyeurs don't need a Black and Decker, they use concealed cameras. They are usually concealed in a toilet brush or coat hook.
they a also raid the used sanpro bin.

The floor to ceiling doors needed in mixed sex toilets are a hazard for people who have passed out inside, such as a woman who has suffered a miscarriage and fainted. (Women don't just use toilets to pee in.)

Also, the single enclosed rooms mean they can can fit fewer toilets into each bathroom. Why the actual fuck should able bodied people demand more toilet space when venues already get away with saying they don't have room for disabled access toilets?

Sexnotgender · 03/12/2018 08:35

If mixed sex toilets meet the appropriate regulations then they’re absolutely fine.

If they’re regular cubicles with a ‘gender neutral’ sign slapped on them I’d kick up merry hell.

astoundedgoat · 03/12/2018 08:28

When done properly, i.e not my sticking a gender neutral sticker on the door of the women's loos, there is no problem with mixed loos. When there are solid floor to ceiling walls and doors, with the sink and mirror in the cubicle with you, you are100% private, and short of someone bringing a Black & Decker to work, you are at no more risk of voyeurism than you would be in a traditional single sex toilet.

My husband's workplace had mixed loos that have been properly constructed (proper dividing walls, not a piece of mdf) and it's perfectly fine.

If it's done lazily then it is definitely worth objecting to vigorously, but I don't object on general principle.

dogzdinner · 03/12/2018 08:20

They're single occupancy. You're not in a room with other people.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/12/2018 08:16

What is the problem with toilets that can be used by anyone? Seriously I don't understand what the issue is

they are harmful to women dogzdinner

  • increased rates of voyeurism
  • increased rates of sexual assaults
  • women from strict religious groups can't use them, thus further curtailing their ability to move freely in society
  • I value my privacy and dignity, which are eroded by having to take a shit next to a man I don't know, or even worse, next to my male colleagues
dogzdinner · 03/12/2018 08:10

What is the problem with toilets that can be used by anyone? Seriously I don't understand what the issue is

BlytheSpirits · 03/12/2018 08:09

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BBC's John Simpson slams 'gender neutral' toilets at Broadcasting House
LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/12/2018 07:57

I love how ‘diversity is celebrated’ - by ignoring the wants and needs of women, religious types and people who just think this whole idea is whack.

rightreckoner · 03/12/2018 07:52

Glad to see comments on yahoo are almost universally with John Simpson. I wondered if it was just my Times/MN echo chamber. Didn’t think it was - and. no, it isn’t. Everybody hates this.

Thank you John Simpson.

ChattyLion · 03/12/2018 07:50

A [BBC] spokesperson told the newspaper: “We are proud to support diversity and have a BBC that is open to everyone, and New Broadcasting House has male and female toilets along with single-occupancy toilets which can be used by any member of staff regardless of gender.”

They do know that you can already express your gender however you want in a single-sex toilet, right? Single sex toilets are already gender neutral.

BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 03/12/2018 07:30

BBC's bias towards transgender issues is well documented here.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

JingleBellsSitDown · 03/12/2018 07:24

The thing I find most revealing about that whole article is this...’Statistics released last year show that 417 employees of the BBC’s 21,239 staff indentify as transgender’ Shock

That’s almost 2%.
Nationally it’s more like 0.2%

Why do you think that is?

I wonder how many people have identified as being transgender in the last few years compared to the previous few.

It goes without saying that the BBC’s policy would be achingly right on and to screw over the women they employ. They have form for this with the way they pay their employees.

This is sadly the most unsurprising story I’ll read today.

Good on John Simpson though.

HopeGarden · 03/12/2018 07:18

I’m assuming the single occupancy mixed sex toilets are the disabled ones?

littlecabbage · 03/12/2018 07:16

The statement from the Beeb says that there are male, female and single occupancy mixed sex toilets available, but I wonder if all three are available in all areas? I suspect not.

SD1978 · 03/12/2018 07:09

So we ignore the wants or wishes of almost 20000, in order to not offend 400. I do love this logic.

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