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Rod Liddle: I’m identifying as a young, black, trans chihuahua, and the truth can go whistle

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 09:44

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/i-m-identifying-as-a-young-black-trans-chihuahua-and-the-truth-can-go-whistle-tq550nx5f

This piece seems to have sent our favourite Doctor into an apoplectic rage yet again so I assume it is worth reading.

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LurkingLizzy · 11/11/2018 13:01

I guess with the number of known racists etc in your movement you'd want to be quite forgiving of certain views.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 12:59

By the 'you don't have to agree with everything...' reasoning on display here I'm assuming Hitler (no fan of trans people) qualifies for the 'even a broken clock...' treatment

Of course Confused Hitler was a human, as we all are. He couldn't have become what he did without the support of many many others. He did horrific things, but that is not all he was, and he was not alone in what he did.

This is quite an interesting read

www.bbc.com/timelines/zsmm6sg

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Popchyk · 11/11/2018 12:59

If Rod Liddle says that the transgender ideology is a load of bollocks, should I start supporting transgender ideology in protest of him as an individual?

If we are waiting for morally pure men to stick up for women, we'll be waiting a long time. And we've already waited a long time. A few notable exceptions of course.

The men who define themselves as morally pure are the ones who call women who want to discuss their rights "bigots". The men who claim to be decent are more than happy to silence, threaten and bully women for not falling behind the line that men insist they have the right to draw for women.

We need to get the message out to the public (who are still largely ignorant about this issue).

Doesn't matter who sends the message.

Anything that shines a light on this is good.

We're never going to win this without the contribution of journalists in mainstream media.

GCAcademic · 11/11/2018 12:58

I believe Hitler liked dogs. I love dogs. Ergo, I am literally Hitler. #TRAlogic

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 12:55

I think when a journalist has made his position clear that he could not give a toss about women or children, it is a strange decision to share his work and praise him on a feminist forum

But again, you are saying that unless we agree with everything he says / thinks / does we should disagree with everything he says / thinks / does.

Outside of the TRA bubble (which I will admit is extremely well policed) the world just does not work like that. Writing (for example) is judged on its own merit, it doesn't require a detailed analysis of the author and their life. I'd someone says something that is good / right / worthwhile that stands on its own.

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LurkingLizzy · 11/11/2018 12:53

By the 'you don't have to agree with everything...' reasoning on display here I'm assuming Hitler (no fan of trans people) qualifies for the 'even a broken clock...' treatment.

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 12:51

I think when a journalist has made his position clear that he could not give a toss about women or children, it is a strange decision to share his work and praise him on a feminist forum.

But each to their own.

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 12:48

I think stretched ear lobes can look good. I'm fairly sure that makes me Dalit on mumsnet.

GCAcademic · 11/11/2018 12:46

So, basically, we have to agree with people on either everything or nothing? I guess we’ll all be in our own individual echo chambers talking to no one then.

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 12:43

Should read:
"where on the +ive/-ive scale he sits - and what his sensible opinions are versus his batshit ones"

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 12:42

The same goes for everyone jez, even bloody Fred west was probably nice to his mum and bought her flowers on her birthday! People aren't evil, they aren't innate sinners, that's all simplistic religious-style crap. Sometimes the negative will massively outweigh the positive, but that doesn't automatically obliterate the positive, should it exist.

I'm not informed enough on the Peter Tatchell situation (bloody real life getting in the way) to give you my opinion on where on the +ive/-ive scale he sits, but I'm fairly sure I can guess he isn't innately evil.

rightreckoner · 11/11/2018 12:41

And yes re PT, I think he’s right on Irish cake bakers. Wrong on child sex. Wrong on transgenderism.

See I can distinguish between different ideas and make up my own mind based on my own thoughts not tribalism.

For all I know Owen Jones may have been right about some stuff too once upon a time. And I believe Shon Faye is good at parallel parking and has a nice singing voice Wink

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 12:40

Assume the same goes for Peter Tatchell then?

Of course. Just because he appears to be advocating paedophilia, does not mean he hasn't done a lot of good work for the gay community.

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Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 12:40

rightreckoner if that was directed at me then absolutely. There are certainly some trans activists who have no regard for women's safety, privacy and dignity and they need to be challenged.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 11/11/2018 12:37

I'm no great fan of PT either, but if he ever said something that I agreed with, I wouldn't ignore the message on account of it being him who delivered it.
I would still reserve the right not to like the person or think that most of his opinions were wrong.

rightreckoner · 11/11/2018 12:34

That child abuse article by RL is awful. Really ignorant and wilfully obtuse.

How about you stop being wilfully obtuse on this issue and acknowledge the some of the serious issues with transgender theology ?

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 12:34

They don't argue that he's wrong, Iwanna, they just list the negative things he has done like that is somehow proof that he is wrong.

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 12:34

People are very rarely black/white, good/bad

Assume the same goes for Peter Tatchell then?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 12:34

For crying out loud, I know some of us disagree on the trans issue but WTF are people thinking sharing an article from a child abuse apologist on a feminism forum

There's a really good discussion of Tatchell over here:.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3419275-Paedophile-Apologist-Book-including-chapter-by-Peter-Tatchell

And here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3407489-Peter-Tatchell-Again-More-blaming-women-for-male-violence

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IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 11/11/2018 12:33

Agree that people are rarely all good or all bad. Even dislikeable people sometimes have opinions I agree with.
I don't understand how anyone could argue that he's wrong tbh.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 12:30

People are very rarely black/white, good/bad

This^ this tribal stuff is bullshit. Saying that because Rid Liddle is a bad person, everything he ever says should be disregarded just shows really simplistic thinking.

Things are nuanced and any half-intelligent person who is capable of critical thinking should be able to see this.

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arranfan · 11/11/2018 12:28

I think Liddle was writing about this couple (photograph of the dog):

twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1050769176858640385

I like the Tweeter's comment:

Born too late to explore the earth.

Born too soon to explore the galaxy.

Born just in time to witness this

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 12:27

For crying out loud, I know some of us disagree on the trans issue but WTF are people thinking sharing an article from a child abuse apologist on a feminism forum. World's gone mad!

PineappleSunrise · 11/11/2018 12:23

I thought hatred of Rod Liddle wiped away your sin, Lizzy?

LurkingLizzy · 11/11/2018 12:18

Jezebelz, you've got a lot to learn about being a member here. No1 rule: hatred of trans people wipes away all sin.

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