Oxford students going after Jenni Murray (again)

Radio 4, Any Questions discussed no platforming at Oxford University but did not mention Jenni Murray or feminists.
It will be interesting to hear if this point is made by callers etc.
Any Answers now on.

There's a sensible letter in The Times this morning about this issue, can't link to the letters page from their app though.

I met him a couple of times through work. He comes across and someone who takes no nonsense.

As I think would we!

I have a strong feeling that Digby Jones would enjoy an intervention from Hayden and Harrop.

Indeed... I wonder if A. Harrop & S. Hayden are aware of the tweet, they would I'm sure identify the 'transphobia' there and be keen to stamp out that sort of thing.

Jones worked for 20 years at Edge & Ellison, a firm of lawyers based in Birmingham, culminating in serving as Senior Partner from 1995-1998

Digby Jones Rowan What larks Pip!

Well that's hundreds and hundreds of retweets and over a thousand likes already. He is a REAL lawyer by education, training and practice, back in the day.
I wonder if Stephanie R. Hayden, "lawyer", will be having a word with him?
I think not.

In fairness Jenni Murray scares the bejesus out of me.

The Right Honourable
The Lord Jones of Birmingham

Let's hope misogyny catches up with you and your mates eventually, eh, Christian?

In NUS LGBTQ+ societies etc there has been considerable focus on this dynamic with female transmen been excluded from services and spaces etc by male transwomen/femme students.

YY. At the NUS conference this year several of the MTF trans and "transfeminine" people wanted to exclude female people.

I agree with Bert - maybe the hot choc comment wasn’t intended to be patronising but it bloody sounds it.

Transmen have 'privilege' as they are men. They therefore must prioritise the experience of 'transwomen, transfemme' since to not do would be transmisogyny.

In NUS LGBTQ+ societies etc there has been considerable focus on this dynamic with female transmen been excluded from services and spaces etc by male transwomen/femme students.

The contrast between this and my NB colleague's criticism today of women's events for leaving out "non-binary and transmasculine" people is pretty revealing, to be honest.

It's ALWAYS women's (especially older women's) fault for not putting everyone else first.

Some great comments under that Times article, I especially liked this one:

I look forward to hearing that Oxford's Biology department has been shut down for acknowledging reality.

Sorry, cross posted Bertrand
I agree re the hot choc and baked goods.

As an older woman, I squirmed a bit on that one.
Jenni is an articulate, bold, and intelligent woman. I imagine she can be quite fearsome. Not a cuddly stereotype Gran. She doesn't sit there reading " A Book at Bedtime" to us over the wireless.

I agree, Bert and Waspi, it does feel ageist/sexist, and diminishing, cuddly-fying JM like that, though it probably wasn’t intended that way.

Someone I used to work with once worked with JM. Don’t mess, basically

Agree Absinthe - I wish she'd release a statement along the lines of "I have better things to do than deal with you load of shits. If the sensible ones amongst you are pissed off that those idiots have lost you an interesting speaker I suggest you handle it between yourselves."

I hate the way they're using her pulling out as some kind of evidence of guilt or shame on her part. In reality I'm sure she just doesn't want to spend her Saturday travelling to an event where she's going to be faced with tedious little gobshites in balaclavas shouting over her. She doesn't have to deal with that shit. She's a strong, superbly successful woman who doesn't need student union gigs to boost book sales - why would she go ahead with the engagement when the Q&A format means she's obviously not going to be allowed to speak about her book?

Dr Christian.

Smug bastard.

Dr. Christian,
No surprise there, similar agenda as Ade ££££££ and STATUS.

“I like the hc & bc line as it shows how nuts things have got when they're going after someone as mainstream and comfortingly familiar as Jenny Murray.”

I know that was the intention, and it’s a good line. But Murray is a proper outspoken feminist- we shouldn’t diminish her.

Dr Christian Jessen

I like the hc & bc line as it shows how nuts things have got when they're going after someone as mainstream and comfortingly familiar as Jenny Murray.

And please can we stop retweetibg and praising the "hot chocolate and baked goods" line? Murray is an articulate , insightful, intelligent women with plenty to say. Not a bloody cake baking grandma.

I've started a new thread because this is about more than a group of Oxford students:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3417901-Dame-Jenni-Murrays-book-A-History-of-Britain-in-21-Women-a-polite-yet-passionate-fingers-up-to-history-s-attempts-to-silence-women-Shouldnt-we-join-her-as-this-is-happening-now-to-her

A link to the BBC news story.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-46139085