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Trevor Phillips in the Times

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RhymesWithOrange · 22/10/2018 06:00

Trans extremists are putting equality at risk

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0fe1693a-d56f-11e8-926d-96790161a92a

Sorry I don't know how to do a share token but this is brilliant. Some extracts:

The disaster of the public consultation process on gender recognition has revealed a government so terrified of being labelled transphobic that it is ready to destroy half a century of painstakingly assembled anti-discrimination legislation to the detriment of every woman, person of colour and disabled individual in Britain.

The self-declaration principle, masquerading as compassionate recognition, risks making a mockery of the struggle for equality. If ministers give in to trans zealots, a white man would merely need to say “Today, I’m a black woman. I might not be tomorrow but, hey, who cares?” Well, I do. And so should everyone who genuinely believes in fairness.

Trevor Phillips WROTE the Equality Act 2010. How can politicians argue with him?



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R0wantrees · 24/10/2018 15:53

He clearly is out of touch with the needs of the transgender community and has been brainwashed by the anti trans lobby.

It speaks volumes that you centre your complaints thus.

pennydrew · 24/10/2018 15:53

Feminist4

I think the article is awful. He clearly is out of touch with the needs of the transgender community and has been brainwashed by the anti trans lobby

What an utterly stupid thing to say.

Bonions · 24/10/2018 15:52

What lobby is that?

Feminist4 · 24/10/2018 15:48

I think the article is awful. He clearly is out of touch with the needs of the transgender community and has been brainwashed by the anti trans lobby.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 24/10/2018 15:36

Plenty of comments there now.

boatyardblues · 24/10/2018 12:39

I just refreshed the comments under Lucy Bannaman’s article & it looks like they’ve closed the comments & removed the ones posted first thing.

R0wantrees · 24/10/2018 09:29

current thread discussing similar silencing and attempted disciplining of women by Labour FB group (Lewisham Momentum) including 'Compliance' threats:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3402921-lily-m-standing-as-women-s-officer-again?pg=1

FlowersAndHerts · 24/10/2018 08:38

I don't know how to do a share token, but an article today in The Times by Lucy Bannerman.
"Labour supporters have criticised a “sinister” decision to freeze them out of a Facebook group for sharing an article by the former head of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission. Rebecca Lush was among the women who tried to share the article by Trevor Phillips on The Labour Party Forum, an unofficial account with almost 40,000 followers."

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-members-punished-over-transgender-facebook-debate-n38wwj8nx

woman11017 · 23/10/2018 17:05

Good article.
I hope he speaks up in support of his erstwhile colleague, Linda Bellos too. Soon.

Mishappening · 23/10/2018 14:43

He's a great guy - I had some dealings with him many years ago in a professional capacity. Well said Trevor!

Iused2BanOptimist · 23/10/2018 14:40

Timelady (c) any personal or real right already acquired by third parties or any privilege or hypothecary right of a creditor acquired before the change in the gender identity of the person shall in no way be affected.

mean that creditors can still come looking for their money, even if you've legally changed your gender identity and your name?

I would think that's a protection to mean your mortgage doesn't get wiped clean when you change ID. Though how you get it changed into your new name whilst wiping your old id is anyone's guess. Other creditors may have a much harder time tracking you down if you choose to disappear.

Iused2BanOptimist · 23/10/2018 14:32

What an interesting direction this thread has taken. Kudos to the Rosemary and Thyme mumsnetters!

Could it be that the opportunity to acquire a whole new identity protected by law with maximum secrecy means self ID potentially offers the best easy, legal way to bury one's past available within the law? Which could be of interest to McMafia types moving into the Shengen Area and wanting to lose themselves?

Stamping TRA's and petty criminals chancing their arm are just a side show. Well well.

TimeLady · 23/10/2018 13:04

I posted this link re. the funders behind Transgender Europe on another thread

tgeu.org/about/

Scroll right down to the bottom...Government of the Netherlands

Curiouser and curiouser

Trousered · 23/10/2018 11:05

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Current_members

Shengen visas are very valuable commodities.

Trousered · 23/10/2018 11:04

It's not easy to get citizenship in Luxembourg, they are part of the Shengen area though so a passport for Malta gets you into all those states, including Netherlands.

The strategic move was to get the most easily corruptible governments in the Shengen areas to give you a free pass.

UK and Ireland are outside of Shengen, therefore needed to be battered into submission.

silentcrow · 23/10/2018 10:55

Thinking about tax issues, the EU were making noises about a blacklist of tax havens last year. www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/02/paradise-to-blacklist-eu-tax-havens

Within the EU, the countries on the naughty step were:
Malta
Cyprus
Ireland
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
United Kingdom

That's an interesting list. It doesn't match up with the list of countries who have self-id already, but I'd be interested to know how far down the line e.g. Netherlands and Luxembourg are and if the pressure is as intense as here. The timing of the consultation here could mean legislation went through (if it had slipped through, that is) before Brexit. As I understand it there are some big EU tax changes planned just after Brexit, which is why certain players are so keen to push it through.

/swathes self in tin foil

Bonions · 23/10/2018 10:52

So if I were married and had changed my name but when I was arrested, gave my maiden name, I could accuse the Gardai of discrimination because they addressed documents to the name I provided?

MadamBatty · 23/10/2018 10:48

Sounds as though that person is chancing their arm. How would the Gardai even know that persons previous name unless that was the name given to them by the accused. Where’s the prejudice??

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 10:33

Sorry Popchyk I had sun on my screen and had missed the embedded link in your original post.

www.mayonews.ie/news/32750-gardai-accused-of-prejudice-against-transgender-person

Popchyk · 23/10/2018 10:07

R0wan, it is from the article that I quoted.

"In June 6, 2017, the defendant was arrested in Castlebar for drug offences".

"She explained her client changed her name on June 9, 2016 and received a formal gender recognition certificate in June 2016 and a new birth certificate in July 2016".

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 10:00

Popchyk thanks do you have a link please?

Popchyk · 23/10/2018 09:47

And in the Irish transgender case, the person had changed their name and got a GRC a full year before committing this offence.

But when arrested, the person gave the previous male name and not the new legal female name. Which we're told would never happen.

Trousered · 23/10/2018 09:38

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bnb6vc/mediterranean-with-simon-reeve-series-1-episode-1

Interesting programme about the problems in Malta. Covers the car bombing of the journalist and the ID for sale.

The fact that politicians tell us places like this are to be held up as beacons of human rights should be listened to with extreme caution.

Popchyk · 23/10/2018 09:35

R0wan, only what is in the public domain. Case adjouned until November 21.

This from a couple of weeks ago.

Gardaí accused of prejudice against transgender person

A TRANSGENDER person has accused An Garda Síochána of being prejudiced against her for issuing summonses against her for drug offences in the male name she once carried.

At last week’s sitting of Castlebar District Court, Supt Joe McKenna made an application to amend the summonses so that the name of the defendant could be corrected. The court heard that the defendant was previously a man but had legally changed her name, and her gender to that of female, in 2016.

Ms Nicola Daly, solicitor for the defendant, asked the court to impose reporting restrictions in order for her client not to be named, due to the sensitive nature of the case. While there were no reporting restrictions imposed, the press members at the court agreed not to reveal the name of the defendant at this stage in the legal proceedings.

No longer exists
In June 6, 2017, the defendant was arrested in Castlebar for drug offences. She subsequently appeared before last week’s court charged with the possession of illegal drugs for sale and supply. Supt McKenna explained that when the defendant was arrested, she gave the male name she had previously been known by, and that this was the reason for the application to amend the summonses.

Ms Daly told Judge Fiona Lydon that while there was a discretion to amend summonses, she argued that this was not the case of a ‘typographical error’ and the person named on the summonses no longer exists.

She explained her client changed her name on June 9, 2016 and received a formal gender recognition certificate in June 2016 and a new birth certificate in July 2016. She said that at the time of the arrest, her client explained this to the Gardaí.

When the summons was issued it was in her old name, and, Ms Daly said, her client is not that person. Ms Daly said the Gardaí had been put on notice of her client’s identity and claimed they had prejudiced her client.

Supt McKenna denied that gardaí were informed by the defendant of her new gender when she was arrested, claiming she gave the name she was known as when she was a male, and also signed the custody record in that name. He said the Gardaí had not prejudiced anyone and that he did not believe there was an issue with his application to amend the name.

When asked by Judge Lydon if her client accepted she had given a different name when she was arrested, Ms Daly said she did not. However, she added her client could not recall what name she signed the custody record in.

Judge Lydon said she would need more evidence to determine the identity the defendant gave at the time of the offence before she could rule on the application. Supt McKenna said he will be able to produce video evidence from the investigating gardaí and the member in charge. Ms Daly said she will be making further legal submissions.

Judge Lydon adjourned the application until November 21 for the evidence to be heard.

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