Womxn controversy on Newsnight

That certainly was some interesting visual framing on the zoom-out shots. Almost as if someone at the beeb is getting a bit sick of pretending.

WTF it is outrageous.

And I think Haddock et al would be happy we think it's outrageous, and be happy at our outrage. I sense a lot of TRAs get off on women's outrage.

But they forget that, as well as our outrage, each single small step, each single little cut, like the billboard take-down, like Dawn Butler's office's email, like the image of the post-phalloplasty arm, Sophie's interview is another talking point.

A talking point that lots of other people won't have yet seen.

Sophie was Steve until 2015. (Not dead-naming, Sophie has a website all about it - and I empathise with Sophie's mental health issues, they're a male who felt they were a woman. They're still not a woman.)

But now Sophie gets a platform on Newsnight to talk about how women might feel about a new word.

When are BBC journalists actually going to get to the meat of the issue? FFS, it's all laid out here for them! I don't even mean agreeing with the GC pov, just getting to the basic points of contention so they can host proper discussion.

I feel so frustrated that we are being fucked over once again by men and men who would like to be women. But mainly that men are pandering to trans women in a way that never happens with women.

I'm appalled by postnatal care for women.
I'm shocked that women lose their jobs while on maternity leave and their employers get away with it.
I could go on.
Where are the softly spoken voices and special programmes where they tiptoe around us and try not to offend us?

I just feel so useless. I have these strong views and feel utterly powerless to act.

(do complain to the BBC)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

Side issue, OK - and I don't like 'womyn' anyway. But was just about to post that a good half of the black feminists I follow on Twitter use it, when you posted your link Errol.

So, another made-up problem by trans advocates to deny everyone else's history and recreate it in their own image. How immensely surprising.

twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1050146831571644416

For the clip that includes Sophie explaining the 'inclusive' nature of the new spelling including 'women of colour'.

'Cos, you know, the word 'women' didn't do so before.

I do find it ever so hard to understand why so many people are running about telling us how to ‘be women’ now. For my part, it involved bring born and surviving into adulthood. No matter what I wear, my interests, or anything else.

Perhaps this is really what the year of the woman is about. Men remember women have been allowed to live their lives and it is time to stamp on us again so we return to the kitchen.

I thought it was quite amusing when the camera pulled back right at the start of the interview and it showed that Cook was much bigger & taller than the presenter. They went much further back than normal and showed the absurdity of it. However after that and trying to appropriate women of colour into their garbled explanation was really annoying.

Slight side issue perhaps:
Was 'womyn' not inclusive of black women anyway? (merely because it was coined by white MC women doesn't automatically make it so)
Google suggests not all black women think that eg there's a film
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black./Womyn:ConversationsswithLesbianssofAfricann_Descent

LMFAO. Could Newsnight have made themselves any less credible?

Brecon

There was definitely an attempt to make this protest about words sound all complicated and academic and feminist infighting. Which was then dismissed with ‘trans women don’t mind the term women’ (TWAW). And being kind.
That felt very uncomfortable for me.

Had never heard of womxn before and am none the wiser now. As for the reaction of the wider public, if DH's comments are anything to go by, they'll be wondering why two blokes were talking about how to spell 'women' and why the fuck it came up on Newsnight.

It’s on Twitter. You should be able to watch it from this link

twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/1050147429251575811?s=21

BTW I think Sophie said 'womyn' was used by white middle class feminists and excluded women of colour, not 'women'. That segment was a travesty but I'm not sure I'd major on that comment to complain about. I don't care if one made up spelling is ditched. I do care that another is imposed.

Fucking hell. I've now just watched the clip: twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1050147429251575811

Jaw on the floor.

Interviewer getting tangled up in the whole 'define as, define' madness.

Chummily talking about the huge offence that a new word has just cause to women with a male who 'identifies' as a woman

Don't @ me MNHQ, and thread watchers/reporters.

This is what it is, we're at that stage now.

If I get a deletion, it is because I am not allowed to define myself away from a male who 'identifies'as a woman and is speaking for 'women' on a national platform, with another man, about why some people (AKA WOMEN) might be offended by the term womxn.

And if you delete me for saying the above about Sophie, why would you not delete people for saying the same thing about Karen White, Jacinta? Where is the line?

*got

Just said women doesn't include transwomen...

Women includes:
Black women,White women,Any other colour women
Tall women,Short women
Thin women,Fat women
Daft women,Clever women
Young women,Old women,Middle aged women
Impoverished women,Middle income women,Filthy rich women
Working class women, middle class women, upper class women - Ladies!
Right wing women, left wing women, centrist women, apolitical women
Women with children, women with none.

Women is a perfectly inclusive word for all adult human females. Because that's what the word means, no more but certainly no less.

However the piece in the programme was about how and why the Wellcome Trust get it wrong with 'Womxn'. It was the explanation as to why was so awful.

Having read this, and knowing of Sophie Cook, I do not think a single viewer who is not already a trans advocate would not have thought 'what the fuck'. These things serve to expose what we are up against.