Stonewall encouraging primary aged children to fill in the GRA consultation

Children cannot possibly understand this and its creepy as fuck to pretend they can and urge them to fill in this

That's fantastic news.

Current thread, OP twofalls post includes response:

"I’m writing to let you know that I’ve raised your concerns regarding Mermaids UK, one of the organisations we link to on our Gender and autism page, with a number of teams within the National Autistic Society. In light of the concerns raised in your message, and of other feedback that we have received, we have decided to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website, while we take the time to consult with relevant professionals and to reconsider which organisations we wish to place links to on our website.

As such, our Web Team are working to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website as soon as possible. Please do be aware, however, that, as we are currently in the process of updating our website to reflect our new branding and organisational identity, it may take a few days for this to be actioned."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384565-Good-news-from-the-National-Autistic-Society-regarding-Mermaids-Please-help

Spectator article 'Don’t tell the parents: the official guidance to teachers of ‘trans children’
As in so many progressive ­schooling fads before it, children are the experts and ­teachers are just there to facilitate'
by Madeleine Kearns

concludes:
"What’s worrying is that anyone who challenges the new teaching on trans issues can find themselves in trouble. So when Victoria Atkins, the Minister for Women, admitted to being ‘a little cautious’ about teenage sex-changes, she was accused of bigotry. And Dr Kenneth Zucker, perhaps the leading authority on gender dysphoria in children, was recently ousted from his clinic in Toronto after being accused of ‘transphobia’ and supporting ‘conversion therapy’ because his 40 years’ experience and research had led him to the conclusion that affirming a child’s perceived gender can be counterproductive.

Many of these transgenderism training programmes are publicly funded. Last year, LGBT Youth Scotland received more than £1 million in grants, including £350,000 from the Scottish government, £160,000 from local authorities (all but one SNP-controlled), and £75,000 from Education Scotland. Mermaids UK, meanwhile, was granted £35,000 from the Department for Education and £128,000 from Children in Need.

Something is off here. Teachers are being asked to put ideology before evidence and to exclude parents from serious welfare decisions about their own children. Parents are often not allowed to take part in the discussion. Children are being asked to make important decisions about their gender, which is a surprisingly adult notion for many to grasp. What’s clear is that the issue of gender dysphoria in children is one of tremendous complexity, both medical and moral. To suggest otherwise — to children or teachers — is a dangerous mistake."

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/dont-tell-the-parents-official-guidance-to-teachers-of-trans-children/

recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3366278-Ruth-Hunt-Stonewall-CEO?

There is an all party Safeguarding group and Children's Minister..?

Who are people actually emailing to complain about this?

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384455-Ruth-Hunt-Stonewall-do-not-and-will-not-acknowledge-that-there-is-a-conflict-between-trans-rights-and-sex-based-women-s-rights

Fucking hell. I barely trust my primary aged DC to not change their mind about what they’ve asked for Christmas between now and December. And they want children involved in policy making?!

So exactly what would happen if a 12 year old child went up to their teacher and said, 'Can you help me fill this form out please?' With all the guidance that has been going into schools, would that teacher be able to help a child fill the form out without consulting the parent? Would the teacher be branded a bigot if they refused to do so because that would mean they were not supporting or validating a trans child?

Really worth reading the many nuanced comments:
www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach#comments

MN thread about Stonewall Petition moved from FWR to petition noticeboard.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3384045-Petition-to-Stonewall

I have this sort of fantasy about the genderists idea of what goes on in the 20 week scan

Sonographer: Oh, look, that blurry patch there is an enlarged sense of entitlement - congratulations, you're having a boy!

Or

That pink sparkly bit there shows that your child will enjoy being objectified and attending women only cake things - it's a girl!

Fuck. This whole thing is creepy as FUCK.

Plus this is just plain sight bullshit.

When we are born, our parents say that we are either male or female. This is recorded on our birth certificate.

I didnt fucking “say” anything about my kids’ sex OR gender. It was obvious to everyone because of their genitalia.

Jesus wept.

Because the consultation wouldn't go the way they want if it was only open to UK citizens of voting age.
That's why.

How can it be legal for non British people to fill in this consultation ? Do you not have to have a valid UK address ? Only those people resident here and of voting age should be able to do this. It is just horrifying when you look at the state of things in America, to think that their politics could influence UK government policy.

Bernard it just shocks me utterly. Stonewall are providing guidance to policy making in thousands of UK schools.

Stonewall’s agenda these days centres a radically anti-child, anti-woman and anti-safeguarding gender-stereotyping-enforcing political nonsense around trans that is also actually at the expense of lesbians - this is not stuff that schools should be promoting!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384307-James-Kirkup-Spectator-lead-article-Trans-rights-have-gone-wrong-The-new-gender-orthodoxy-allows-no-room-for-dissent

and thanks for the link to the speccie R0

it's good - maybe it deserves it's own thread?

Why would anyone want to push an agenda that pretends that kids can consent to things that in truth, they can’t understand the full meaning of?

this this this this this this this this this this this this

pulling at that particular thread would earn me a strike here

but it's a bloody good question

Guardian today, 'Charities need to stop slide in public trust warns regulator
Groups risking censure, says Charity Commission, citing aggressive fundraising and betrayal of charitable focus'

(extract)
"Registered charities may not survive unless they behave with greater selflessness and stop the slide in public trust, Tina Stowell, chair of the Charity Commission is warning.

Lady Stowell, a former Conservative minister, is to set out a tougher stance over the regulation of the £74bn-a-year sector after a string of scandals, including the collapse of Kids Company in 2015, and the sexual exploitation in Haiti by a senior Oxfam worker, which emerged in 2018.

The UK’s 168,000 registered charities face censure unless they show they are “a living example of charitable purpose”, she will say on Thursday.

In a speech that also attempts to draw a line under criticism of the regulator’s own effectiveness, Stowell will warn that the “concept of charity” is under threat." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/03/charities-need-stop-slide-public-trust-warns-regulator

Times letter:
STONEWALL CRITICISED
Sir, Stonewall has played a leading role in advancing the rights of lesbians, gays and bisexuals; it has also campaigned on transgender issues since 2015. We believe that it has made mistakes in its approach that are undermining women’s sex-based rights and protections.

The government’s public consultation on proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act closes on October 19, so it is vital for there to be a debate about transgender politics and the rights of women and girls. Stonewall disagrees, and calls debate on this matter “transphobic”.

We urge Stonewall to acknowledge that there are a range of valid viewpoints around sex, gender and transgender politics, and to acknowledge specifically that a conflict exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights. We call on Stonewall to commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss, or dissent from, Stonewall’s transgender policies.

Jonathan Best, former director of Queer Up North; Julie Bindel, journalist and feminist campaigner; Maureen Chadwick, TV writer; Beatrix Campbell, writer; James Dreyfus, actor; Kate Harris, former fundraiser for Stonewall; Philip Hensher, author; Kathleen Stock, philosopher; Caroline Spry, TV producer; Miranda Yardley, transsexual rights activist; Alison Moyet, singer; Paul Burston, author; Kristina Harrison, paramedic and transwoman; Darren Johnson, London Assembly Member 2000-16; Eileen Gallagher, television producer; Claire Graham, intersex advocate; Jane Harris, author'

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/second-referendum-and-the-brexit-deadlock-qzr5qllkh
Petition: www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

Times article: Stonewall ‘backing transgender bullies’
(extract)
"The petition accused the charity of undermining “the concept of homosexuality itself” by “uncritically adopting a form of transgender politics” that tells teenagers who do not conform to gender stereotypes that they may be transgender rather than gay.

The letter said: “We urge Stonewall to acknowledge . . . specifically that a conflict exists between transgenderism and sex-based women’s rights. We call on Stonewall to commit to fostering an atmosphere of respectful debate rather than demonising as transphobic those who wish to discuss, or dissent from, Stonewall’s transgender policies.”

Mr Best said that while in the past gay activists had fought for legislative equality, today’s transgender activists had “an extreme identity politics” and wanted to “redefine sex and gender for the whole of society”.

“Men are not women — and your bullying will not persuade us differently,” he said.

Stonewall declined to comment."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-backing-transgender-bullies-slvn00vng

What on earth are Stonewall advocating for? Why? Why pretend kids have a maturity, agency and a certainty that they patently don’t have around these issues?

Spectator lead article today: 'Trans rights have gone wrong
The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent'
James Kirkup
(extract)
"In less than a decade, [Michael Biggs] suggests, the movement has embedded itself in public and corporate life and often succeeded in changing policy and practice without significant scrutiny or question.

How? Stonewall is the biggest exponent of the argument that trans rights are the new gay rights, and that conflation of gay and trans is key to the trans lobbyists’ power, especially in the public and voluntary sectors, where allegations of intolerance can end careers. The CEO of a major charity, a woman who has worked at board level in FTSE 100 companies, recently told me she was simply ‘too scared to speak publicly’ about her fear that the systematic misapplication of equality laws is eroding women’s rights and safeguarding rules. Being called a bigot might cost her her job, she says.

In fact, a good many gay people are uncomfortable with the addition of T (Transexual) to LGB (Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual). Some of the most vocal critics of transgenderism are lesbians, their concerns based in part on the fact that one logical outcome of ‘trans women are women’ is that lesbians should regard male-bodied trans women as female and thus as potential sexual partners. Yes, this most progressive of social movements tells women who really don’t like penises that they must consider having sex with people who have penises.

Among the gay men voicing doubts about all this is Simon Fanshawe, one of the founders of Stonewall, who now laments that there is ‘no room for dissent’ from the official trans orthodoxy — even though many trans people themselves are uncomfortable about the militancy practised in their name. They fear that the policies promoted by the ‘trans women are women’ camp risk a backlash against trans people as the wider population notices the increasingly awkward consequences of the doctrine. That day is fast approaching" (continues)

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

this is so massively creepy. Guy in the video encouraging them to fill it out: ‘Be a hero’!
The charity commission must have rules about charity campaigns involving children mustn’t it? Surely this manipulative campaining is not OK. ‘The gender you were given when you were a baby’ etc. It’s not true. Sex is real and you can’t ever change it.

Why are these groups so keen to throw off legal protections around kids?

They’re saying your sex should be more easily changed in law than your own name. Someone else foists a sex on you and if you don’t like it you change it legally whenever you want.

Except you can’t even legally change your name with parental support until you are 16.

What on earth are Stonewall advocating for? Why? Why pretend kids have a maturity, agency and a certainty that they patently don’t have around these issues?

Why would anyone want to push an agenda that pretends that kids can consent to things that in truth, they can’t understand the full meaning of?

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

That video

Could Stonewall stoop any lower?