Dr Nic FairPlay For Women on Victoria Derbyshire 10.15

Well don't the BBC have a disproportionately high number of TG people working for them?

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

And one day, they're going to have to do a mea culpa that will dwarf the one they had to do over Savile.

The Trans lobby have discovered a way of getting the BBC to speak for them, giving their batshit argument immense legitimacy.

Exactly. In the Sinn Fein situation, we could see them but they had to be voiced for what they'd actually said.

This way round, it's a trusted presenter, who has form for standing up for Equal Pay at the BBC and revealing her mistreatment by the BBC (she was asked to work on the day that she was due to give birth). And the BBC had control over the format - the story intro., the sad music. No balanced case of what it's like being a transboy who is managed out of a place of support and understanding in the Guides.

We are living through what Arendt warned about in The Origins of Totalitarianism.

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

from Piper earlier this thread:

"I'm the mum of a Guide and for me it's not about that. It's about the fact that as a 13 year old my daughter is mortified about her changing body. She is exceptionally self-conscious and coming to terms with things like body hair and periods. If there were a transgirl in her Guides and going to camp, she wouldn't want to go. Not because she'd be afraid that the transgirl would leap on her and rape her, but because Guides is her safe space with women and girls only".

Thank you for articulating that so well. Yes, when the possible rape aspect is alluded to on tv/twitter, it's so very easy for the TRAs to launch on that and wrongly accuse us of deeming all transwomen rapists.
It's worth pulling it back a bit and saying it's enough that a girl will, at the very least feel horribly embarrassed undressing in front of a transgirl-
Why isn't that enough?!

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

I think this has been obvious for quite some time.

I think this is one of the most sinister and worrying developments of all this. The Trans lobby have discovered a way of getting the BBC to speak for them, giving their batshit argument immense legitimacy.

I'm beginning to think the BBC is part and parcel with the trans lobby, tbh.

I think it's so interesting that they are back to doing #NoDebate on the grounds that to even discuss this would be discriminatory.

It is, quite simply, all they've got. The last few weeks have shown very clearly that the general public, when exposed to the detail and the consequences of the AWA push, think they are a bunch of complete fucking idiots. The only thing they can do is damage limitation by attempting to sweep it all away to the pretend moral high ground of "You don't need to know the details. We're just right. Shh"

I think this is one of the most sinister and worrying developments of all this. The Trans lobby have discovered a way of getting the BBC to speak for them, giving their batshit argument immense legitimacy.

Given how easily Posie dismantled Harrop on Sky, it's bloody obvious that an experienced television journalist putting points across is going make a difference to how the 'debate' is perceived. Viewers instinctively trust presenters because their job is to be the voice of reason. Especially on the BBC.

Excellent post arranfan

What happened to 'Be Prepared'?

Well I’ll suppose they’ll just stick the ovary owners on the pill.

Unbelievable bias from the bbc - why don't people care about the safety of girls?

Can I just say I am disgusted that the NSPCC wading into this and not protecting girls - they can just sod off.

Love Nic. But why can’t girl guides be exclusively for Girls, whether they identify as female or male. The current policy chucks out girls who identify as boys....girls desperately need a single sex club/place to be just themselves. A trans girl could surely feel included in the scouts.

Woodcraft Folk is mixed sex.

Debate continuing on Mike Graham. Very gender critical.

Extreme sexism in action.

Male bodied girls must have access to everything on principle, even if they don't need it and it means that some female bodied girls will have nothing.

Again proving by their actions that no one actually believes transgirls are girls, no matter how much they keep repeating it. The ones getting the lions share of resources, consideration, respect and enabling will always be the ones with the penises at the expense of the ones with vulvas. It was one of the reasons for GG to exist in the first place.

She was good on Talk Radio just now...wasn't a hostile environment.

If a transgirl can't go to Guides, what other options are available that give the same opportunities?

Woodcraft Folk?

Thread collating the failures / failures of Safeguarding & ChildProtection frameworks:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

Remember when UK broadcasters were subject to a ban on Sinn Féin spokespeople, - a ban that wasn't lifted until 1994? When Stephen Rea et al used to have to voice the part of the interviewee?

www.thejournal.ie/broadcast-ban-uk-30-years-3816443-Jan2018/

At least they voiced what the interviewee had said, they weren't in loco locuteris or anyone who refused to turn up.

Lads get choices
Girls don’t

If a transgirl can't go to Guides, what other options are available that give the same opportunities?

Well Scouts for a start. No issues there at all, they're quite able to handle mixed sex meetings and overnights and ethos, they're a mixed sex organisation.

If a girl who's faith doesn't allow going to meetings or camps with boys/ needs a single sex organisation for other reasons can't access Guides, what other options are available that give the same opportunities?

None.

Why do male bodied people have to have everything ? Why cannot even one thing be allowed for the girls who have no other options?

Its worth being aware of Victoria Derbyshire's long-standing relationship with Mermaids and some of the children associated with the charity.

THis was made explicit in a program shown in July 2018:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294478-Victoria-Derbyshire-show-today-transgender-children-buying-time-by-delaying-puberty

Agree, Mimi, Joanna was uncritically repeating the nonsense idea that there was no risk because "identity".

I wonder if she's heard of Karen White? Or met any teenage boys?

Amazing radio interview. They actually let her talk.