Guides twitter

Because they are particularly interested in girls / womens orgs.

Is why.

99% of the focus is on things which are girl / woman only, and / or include them taking their clothes off.

I don’t think I trust any of them now though. These people actively infiltrate children’s organisations why wouldn’t they be picking on the scouts too? Do they have proper robust safeguarding and advice. Because I don’t feel qualified at the moment to make a choice, I had my daughter on the waiting list for guides- which now I’m a bit appalled at myself for being so naive.

Another one here now trying to get the kids onto the waiting lists for scouting so we can ditch guiding here.

I didn't like the direction Guiding was drifting in anyway - had concerns about it for a few years as it seemed to be lots and lots of lip service to empowering girls, yet lots and lots of badges and activities that seemed to be basically serving to reinforce gender stereotypes at the same time, and the last uniform change was just utterly utterly embarassingly terrible.

I volunteered for a while at a local Brownie pack and all they did were things like singing contests, nail art, make up and taking selfies and stuff and I was concerned about that anyway... that's never what Guiding was when I was a kid - it was the chance to go raking around through the woods, climb like an utter hoodlum up trees (managed to splendidly rip the entire back of my Brownie dress doing that) and archery, sailing and other things at various camps. I know there's a great variability of how well run units are - and this one wasn't a particularly well run one - but still it concerned me.

Think Beavers would be a much better fit for my younger daughter in particular anyway. I'm not happy letting them progress on through the organisation to the point where things like camps and pack holidays become a factor when the organisation is taking the line that they're perfectly happy to actively seek to deceive parents on safeguarding related matters.

So yeah "Girl"Guiding UK - that's potentially another two members lost, with a parent who is the sort likely to get sucked into volunteering themselves as time goes on (I seem to be the fool who ends up doing that kind of thing).

GG policy DOES mean that girls from certain religious groups - namely stricter version of many mainstream religions - will NOT be able to attend guides as they will not be allowed to share faciltiies especially where changing sleeping etc can be shared with males.

Dr Adrian Harrop seems to be coming from a very very similar perspective to his 'dear friend' Dr Helen Webberley (Gender GP) who was interviewed on Radio 5 Live this morning:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374512-trans-debate-bbc-5live-post-9am-today-mon-24th-sept

TBF Hackmum Dr Tidllywink is happy to share the love with men if he perceives them as less important and lower ranking than himself. He generously gave a paramedic a "friendly reminder" about social media policy!
Of course the paramedics Twitter looks engaging, interesting and entirely within the bounds of professionalism. But who am I to judge - a mere woman whose opinions certainly don't count!

I notice that in this Twitter thread:

twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1043527857270652928

There are some moving tweets from a woman who was sexually assaulted at a mixed Guide/Scout camp by a Scout master.

I am still utterly incredulous that the Guides are throwing safeguarding precautions to the wind for the sake of pleasing a tiny minority of agitators.

popchyk I first looked at the tweet with the photo from the OP. Found the other one, thanks!

Hold on DrHarrop

GG policy DOES mean that girls from certain religious groups - namely stricter version of many mainstream religions - will NOT be able to attend guides as they will not be allowed to share faciltiies especially where changing sleeping etc can be shared with males.

Many of these girls WILL BE BAME and / or immigrans.

When this was raised with GG they said that where you get conflicts like this someone always has to be discriminated agianst ie lose, and they believed that girls who would not be able to attend if males are attending should look elsewhere.

They chose to include penis people (with no basis in law for a "single gender" organisation) knowing that this will EXCLUDE many girls from minorities that might particularly benefit from their group & with limited alternative options.

Transgirls have a host of orgs they can join. Scouts is mixed sex and has a much more well thought out trans policy that seeks to ensure ALL children are comfortable. It does not encourage secrecy, springing unexpected dick on girls when they are away at camp, with no option for girls who don't like having unexpected dick about the place other than re-educaiton or leave guides (hard when you're away from your family for a weekend?).

LESBIANS are by definiton GNC (heterosexuality being at the very CORE of gender role / sex role) and are highly likely to question gender in this day and age, espeically with highly homophobic statements from certain high profile trans orgs that focus on children and trans individuals. A girl who IDs as agender has questionable right to remain in guides with advice aorund managing them out into an org that is a "better fit", while girls that ID as boys are requried to leave. Guides is only open to (girls or boys) who "feel like girls inside" whatever the fuck that means, and for most girls will translate to "adhering to and enjoying stereotypes associated with girls".

So in summary.
His tweet is fucking stupid as GG policy DOES exlude BAME girls, immigrants, Muslim girls, lesbians etc and so on. Cunty girls who may have benefited from the org and have minimal alternative options, all because GG with assistance from Pips Bunce, Jane Fay, Aimee Challenor et al are keen to get people with dicks as involved as possible and make sure that in sensitive situaitons (showers etc on away trips) neither the girls NOR their parents are pre warned.

The girls when presented with this as a fait accompli, have little recourse. They are away from home, it's expected by the leaders they will sharee (they see nothing wrong or odd), they are told this person IS a girl, they know they are supposed to shut up put up and pretend as well. All the while feeling extremely uncofmrotbale.

Girls should speak up my arse.

What are GG playing at?

Are you looking at the correct thread, Drink?

twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1043527857270652928

The one above has 163 replies.

This certainly doesn’t make me want to donate to charities.

They seem like a set of closed clubs with agendas, all feeding off each other with very little accountability

Have they removed replies to that post on Twitter? I can see only 2.

Hackmum , it’s not what I’d want for a GP, but it’s exactly the behaviour I had to deal with from surgeons during my career ac an anaesthetist!

I am SO heartened by the unanimous anger on Twitter.

Me too. Also to the response to the Times story, which was near-unanimous disgust at Girl Guides UK.

I worry a lot about Harrop. For a doctor, he seems to be extraordinarily dismissive of biology. He apparently has no concept of the importance of safeguarding. He loses his temper at the mildest provocation. And he is relentlessly aggressive and vicious towards women just for expressing an opinion. In all honesty, are these the qualities you'd want in your family GP?

For a person whose job involved a lot of safeguarding concerns, he's remarkably ill-informed about it.

There are none so blinde as those who will not see. I have my own theories about why males like Harrop refuse to acknowledge the obvious when it comes to the safeguarding of children (or pais, as the Greek word is).

Does Dr Harrop have any data that we are not aware of that would indicate that disabled or black girls can get other girls pregnant? Or that black or disabled girls or women are statistically more sexually abusive against females than the general female population?

If he does I'd sure love to have access to those data. He should definitely share them with us.

I am SO heartened by the unanimous anger on Twitter. For ages I’ve felt that we were crying in the wilderness, but now at last everyone seems to have woken up to the threat posed by TRAs.
If non GC women won’t defend themselves, at least it seems they’re prepared to defend their daughters. It’s a great start.

They’ve had a 100% trouncing in Twitter over the weekend, so I’m hoping with this spectacular own goal they will reconsider.

Dr HardofHearing is unusually blind and deaf to any notions of safeguarding - or even to the notion that some people (know, parents of girls) might need a bit of persuading not to be concerned about such things. For a person whose job involved a lot of safeguarding concerns, he's remarkably ill-informed about it.

It would be interesting toknow if there are any conditions around inclusivity imposed for receiving funding from these foundations, wouldn't it? Changing safeguarding policy might seem a small price to pay for a six-figure grant.

These foundations must be enormously influential given their resources - the EF spent £44.6m in 2017. And the recent funding of Gendered Intelligence is raising a red flag to me.

Really hoping that the responses on the Twitter feed get Guides to open their eyes on this.

I’ve noticed that gender critical voices are getting more numerous each time a new anti woman policy/person arises. Good. The more we can get this message out there the better, we will not let our rights be rolled back.

The Esmee Fairbairn information
What the connection? Couldn't find much back info on the trustees.

We are the only people standing up for 'trans' kids. The only ones, apart from the few Tavi staff who are quietly trying to hold back the tide with watch and wait.

Aaand... on cue up pops Dr Hardofhearing to weigh in.

The Guides can fuck off with this "body confidence" bullshit.

R0wan

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