Guides twitter

p21 Yorkshire Mesmac is recipient of one of the grants: Towards the salary of the project co-ordinator and costs of BLAST, a project supporting boys and young men affected by child sexual exploitation.

Current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381225-Leeds-West-Yorkshire-and-injustices-against-women

Discussion about Jessica Eaton's Victim Focus successful campaign, #NoMoreCSEFilms & link with individual/s linked to MESMAC Yorkshire:

Popchyk wrote:
"Jessica Eaton contacted the police because of the harassment towards her from Phil Mitchell, leader of the Mesmac Blast project (which was a program for young male survivors of sexual abuse).

thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3264949-Andrew-Gilligan-and-MESMAC?msgid=78300045

After criticism from the Charity Commission around safeguarding, Mesmac closed Project Blast earlier this year."

Just posted this on another thread but this is probably more relevant

Latest BS on GG twitter:

"Sex isn’t listed as a protected characteristic because our 'girl only' offer is permitted as a positive action under the Equality Act 2010. We’re permitted to only allow girls to join as young members and some leadership positions are only open to women members."

Any clues WTF that even means? 🤔

Posted on other thread and can't easily share the text at present on phone but they just mass emailed all membership.

Well said Fermats I totally agree. Instead they've screwed themselves over this and angered a lot of parents.

They will also find themselves increasingly pressured to remove some of the work they previously did with young girls such as talking about puberty, periods and anything else that relates back to the female body because it will all be deemed transphobic.

I agree fermats separate tents and I would still feel uneasy but like you say, these are real people and I feel for them I really do- I wonder what our patriarchal society does to these poor people tto make that happen but that's another argument! Why do they have to jump straight in with 'shut up girls, transwomen are women. End of discussion, hop in the shower with that female penis.'

I have written to my MP twice Redkey and have had no response! I'm going to write again, specifically mentioning Guides and my personal concerns regarding my daughter.

I am absolutely not transphobic, it's a short life, dress how you want, go by whatever name you want and I will back you 100%. Try accessing women's spaces and I will call you out.

Yes, exactly this.

Suppose GG had said "look, there are teens out there who are pretty firmly convinced that they have body dysphoria and are trans. And this is very hard for them and their families. And one of the ways to make this easier is to get them out of the internet bubble and into the real world -via guiding if necessary. So we will extend membership to transgirls, but we have to balance that against safeguarding concerns and the dignity and privacy of the girls already in our organisation. So - separate tents for different sexes."

At that point I would have thought "well, I still think the ideology is fundamentally nonsensical, but these are real people here, and this feels like a pragmatic compromise I can live with even if I have some reservations about it."

But they didn't. They had to go along with TWAW, TGAG, shut the fuck up women and send your daughters into that communal shower with a pubescent teen with a penis. That's the point at which they lost me. Because fuck that. Women are allowed to have boundaries. We are allowed to say "no."

NKFell great post. Write to your MP and ask them to ask Penny Mordaunt.

They just have massive blinkers on and it's insane and worrying. My daughter is 5 and in Rainbows, why can't people speak up about safeguarding? Why can't the conversation be had instead of being shut down as if being transphobic. I am absolutely not transphobic, it's a short life, dress how you want, go by whatever name you want and I will back you 100%. Try accessing women's spaces and I will call you out. I do not want my daughter sharing tents with boys or getting undressed with boys or men present- so I'm transphobic I suppose. Ridiculous.

let's not forget, Aimee is still involved in Prism Youth group. Which, if the website is anything to got by doesn't have any Safeguarding policies

That would be the same Aimee Challenor who used their father David Challenor as their election agent while said father was awaiting trial for raping and torturing a 10 year old. Crimes of which he was subsequently found guilty. The same man who was also a scout leader, as well as involved in a local youth gymnastics club.

Out of respect for the 10 year old rape victim, and for the children and families who came within David Challenor's influence while he was heavily involved in youth activities, you would think anyone with an ounce of sensitivity in these circumstances would keep their nose well out of a controversy about child safeguarding and girl guiding

noeffing I agree that much of what we are seeing is grooming a generation of girls to be compliant to mens wants.

Iused

Aaah Aimee Challoner. Singularly the opposite of a suitable person to understands boundaries, children, Safeguarding and girls.

God, endorsement from Aimee Challenor.

Just the person to put parents' minds at rest.

I was a bit ffs at the badge and then saw who tweeted it.

Can it get any worse?

I remember a thread on Dspy a few years ago started by an MRA about girl guides. He was fuming about some of the objectives which had been voted by the girl members themselves, things such as reducing sexual harrasment at school, reducing sexualisation of girls in the media, etc etc.
I think this started then. They want it either taken over by themselves, or closed down.
As an older woman I can't help thinking there's a mass grooming of teenage girls going on at the moment, to accept their partners watching pornography, to accept certain sexual activities and kinks that most women used to refuse to do, to aspire to 'sex work' as being empowering, etc etc. I think they want to block any resistance to this grooming, hence why they hate this forum so much.
OvaHere they will go underground. A backlash will come, and it will come from younger women.

I think it would be hard or even impossible to set up a new org for XX only.

Start up costs and funding are hard to come by, any new org attempting this would be immediately targeted and probably litigated against which would be hard to fight without being a wealthy, established org.

Unless GG backtrack then single sex spaces for girls have been consigned to the history bin.

A big win for all the MRAs masquerading as TRAs.

Why don't they do a re-brand and call themselves 'Guides'?

This would allow a new organisation for girls to fill the gap, then all the parents, kids and volunteers who want a single sex choice could leave Girl Guides and go there. It could be fairly seemless.

"You know what I wouldn’t feel comfortable sending her to scouts at the moment. I’m sure I remember Challoner senior being involved with the Scouts. I don’t remember a press release from them about wether or not he was working with them during his time on bail. "

I havent' seen anything either
nor the gymnastics or wheelchair basketball he was involved in
if there is only one victim out there i will eat my hat. to go from no sex offending to the level he was imprisoned for in 1 step is vanishingly unlikely

you knwo what they will say

they will say that a bunch of bigoted women got GG shut down becasue they hate trans people

when in fact the trans orgs who went in and advised GG incorrectly on the law, that it was allowed to have a "single gender" org (it isn't), and that there were no safeguarding concerns and they didn't have to tell anyone are the ones who have done this.

Unless GG backtrack PDQ and given how embedded they are with the likes of pips bunce (i'm a little teapot), jane fae (extreme porn), aimee challenor (i'm just a standard girl whose into adult baby and furry fetishes) and all the rest of them I cant see that happening.

They are looking for new CEO who will be able to relaunch as trans glitter org for people who are girly etc new CEO will be penis person 100% probably with an exciting gender ID

All the sensible woman leaders will leave becasue of course they will

then what

You know what I wouldn’t feel comfortable sending her to scouts at the moment. I’m sure I remember Challoner senior being involved with the Scouts. I don’t remember a press release from them about wether or not he was working with them during his time on bail. Maybe I missed something there though. I also don’t see that a small boy is any less vulnerable than a small girl or teen in either case. After seeing all this it’s now just instinct. I will be very very choosy where any of them go from now on. I’ve always been quite a cautious parent anyway but this has just made me think I was right. There are more interesting things my kids can be doing other than scouts or guides that won’t leave her vulnerable to abuse. That don’t lie to parents or have crap safeguarding.

twitter - fair play for women contacted the ehrc about GG not adhering to any kind of laws around discriminaiton / protected characteristics

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1044541950718816258

they say they have the info back from ehrc and are ahppy to share iwth a journalist who has asked

yes true wtf is that all about

is it to show they really are "one of the boys"?

Yet it seems that there are transmen at the head of some of the key organisations driving policy eg Stephen Whittle (Press for Change), James Barrett (Scotland) Jay Stewart (Gendered Intelligence) etc

Gendered Intelligence were 'expert advisers' to the Girl Guides:

www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL0nRRUGGwZQs-ZnRXXEGYprzDLGBoCcii&time_continue=252&v=UpQd-VrKgFI

I have not seen any transmen shouting about being allowed into men's prisons.

With male orgs the focus seems to be on allowing transwomen to remain after they transition.

Cake + eat it & it's all about the rights of transowmen / transgirls / non binary penis people.

Freemasons is good example.