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The problem there is that the question of whether or not someone has a penis is for many women absolutely key as to which spaces that person should and should not be able to access. Trans people say that asking is "intrusive", many women feel that having penises in our sex segregated spaces is far more intrusive

I couldn't agree more.

I don't post much any more. But I am so dismayed to read the list of banned posters, especially MaryZ who has been here for so long and given so much good advice over the years ( have been here myself for 11) I felt I had to comment here. It makes me livid and a bit fearful.

Thanks R0wan

The problem there is that the question of whether or not someone has a penis is for many women absolutely key as to which spaces that person should and should not be able to access. Trans people say that asking is "intrusive", many women feel that having penises in our sex segregated spaces is far more intrusive.

Oh lord, best go have a look at the new guidelines.

Yes I would having watched PL be utterly unable to contribute anything at all to the group...

Surely as long as people arent rude about it then its up for discussion yes surely it's the crux of the matter. I would have liked to have read that thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3368018-MNHQ-Please-take-another-look-at-the-posters-who-have-been-suspended

Gist

Not gust

Stupid bloody ipad

Thanks r0wan

from the gust of the OP it seemed that a member of the cast brought up genitals

Surely as long as people arent rude about it then its up for discussion

In which case they could just delete the rude ones

It discussed the reasons why PL left the show as reported in various media sources. The thread was quite long and had evolved considerably.

Do you think MN keep the threads which are deleted in their entirety and then review the decisions?

Because it mentioned an individual's genitals, which is against Gulag Guidelines

thread deletion message

r0wan

Do you know why it was deleted

I saw it but hadn't looked at it

Didn't realise Offred was gone. Her contributions were excellent and so lucid.

Come on Mumsnet

You are very likely indirectly discriminating against women here. Also GC feminists.

If anyone suspended/banned is interested in taking this further please do a subject access request.

Are the decisions becoming harsher?

I was just commenting on a thread started following Paris Lees decision to leave a reality TV show.

It had become (what seemed to me) a wide-ranging interesting discussion about the sexist sterotypes described by some trans women and then 'poof', thread gone.

I may have to go for a walk having spent some time linking articles etc as the conversation meandered.

Songsparrow there's thread here with a considerable number of lurkers commenting:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291425-Gender-Critical-Lurkers

Another lurker here, dismayed at the banning of posters who have enlightened and educated me. This is the only place I know where people talk about these things and really the only reason I come to this site. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

My PSA comes from outside the so-called "little GC clique", as I don't think any poster here at FWR has ever responded to me or quoted me. But I post occasionally anyway.

hi PJs welcome to the clique

This is very frightening - it's NOT just about 'playing by the forum-owners' rules and if you don't like it get out' - not when the rules are set according to adherence to trans-Newspeak - treading on eggshells not to call men men - using 'the right pronouns' (fgs - when did PRONOUNS become such a sacred cow).

thebewilderness and Maryz - and other good women before them - one by one tossed out by MNHQ in an attempt to stop women standing up to men's demands and delusions.

For the AGP group and trolls, not so much. The latter are the ones I really worry about and are the ones with the most powerful voices right now.

Yes, good point.

It's like watching an abuser demand that the police let him know exactly how far he can go in abusing his partner before it qualifies as domestic abuse so as to ensure he can continue without rebuke.

Transparent DARVO.

Ive been here for 11 years and had several bannings, the most recent being completely unfair (IMO!) as I was completely misread by the posters on the thread who reported me. I was then banned for a month I think? Due to previous bannings. Anyway my point being that if you are known for being GC and outspoken on here you will attract notice and many more reports than more innocuous posters. Since then I namechange regularly. I recommend it.

I wish MNHQ would do a Super(wo)man, fly backwards around the world, and get us back to where we were before it began.

Back to where the GRA was being debated in parliament in 2003 while most of the public were unaware of it. I realise that would be quite a few rotations

"Being part of a fellowship of women - it's the thing they want most and will never have."

I would gently disagree with this actually. For some well-meaning "sincere" transwomen, maybe. For the AGP group and trolls, not so much. The latter are the ones I really worry about and are the ones with the most powerful voices right now.