BBC Breakfast

Am pretty sure barrack that Debbie does acknowledge that you can't change sex.

Debbie Hayton articles:
quillette.com/2018/03/30/plea-trans-activists-can-protect-trans-rights-without-denying-biology/

www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/03/gender-identity-needs-to-be-based-on-objective-evidence-rather-than-feelings

Debbie was good though. Thanks Debbie.

I cannot believe the BBC did not include a female voice on this. They mentioned women's groups and that it was controversial. Nic Williams would have been an obvious choice. Why on earth didn't they ask her?

Am pretty sure barrack that Debbie does acknowledge that you can't change sex.

Yes definitely. Debbie is a biology teacher.

Am pretty sure barrack that Debbie does acknowledge that you can't change sex.

Could have done without the sad piano...but it was hardly hard hitting debate on either side

It is such a poor argument really on 'who has the right to say what gender I am
Correct but let's not conflate sex with gender. Born male, your sex remains male always! Unless you actually are prepared to jump through the legal hoops that gatekeep predatory males from accessing female spaces. If you don't have gender dysphoria, I am not going to pretend you are a female when I know the chances are highly likely you have a penis underneath your skirt and by going along with it I am being complicit / being exploited as part of your sexual fetish.

All people involved in that piece falsely believe it is possible to change sex.
All people in that piece either ARE male, or have gained a fictional legal recognition as male, or are seeking it.

Not one ACTUAL female who holds the factual position that sex cannot be changed.

So a piece about the impact of a proposed law that will allow many males to be legally recognised as females, included only actual biological males, legal (fictional) males, and those who would be legal (fictional) males.

Not one actual, biological female (you know a representative of the 33 million in the UK who are born that way and no there's no way of changing it)

Are we actually becoming invisible? I'm sure my license fee direct debit is still being drawn...

This really concerns me (and I know many others)

Discussing vulnerable young people such apparent constant reference to suicide ideation/ self-harm without what would in any other circumstances be accompanied with link to support.

Why are Samaritans' well-established principles about responsible reporting ignored by TRAs and the media channels which host / quote the interviews?

No. No Samaritans link. The whole thing was done and dusted in three minutes. The anchors introduced it as ‘controversial’ but said nothing at all afterwards. Just made sad faces and segued into the next bit, if I recall correctly!

That's the thing. Lucas and Stephen did victims' greatest hits including the possibility of suicide.

Did the BBC provide a link to Samaritans for those who may be affected?

There's so much important information, knowledge and comments on FWR threads & things seem to be moving very quickly gendercritter

Journalists need to be asking much better questions.

R0wan you are so on the ball with your links. Thank you from me, because it does make a difference to our argument.

If you take the view that trans-women are men, not women; why are trans-men not women then?

I do take the view that TM are women.

I meant that a pro-woman view, articulated by a woman, was not deemed germane to the BBC segment. As you well know.

No women. After all, who gives a fuck about the women?

If you take the view that trans-women are men, not women; why are trans-men not women then?

Stephen Whittle was a founder member of Press for Change. Interviewed in The Guardian article 2013 which provides important background to their motivations and influene:
(extract)
'Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says [Christine] Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press".

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

Relevent threads etc:
Involved in the drafting of Yogykarta pinciples:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

Provided briefing for some of the panel members on Channel 4s GenderQuake Debate:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249035-Stephen-Whittle-s-blog-on-Genderquake-with-a-detailed-briefing-for-panelists

Commented on MN:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

Young People in Care toolkit:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

''Sex Changes'? Paradigm Shifts in 'Sex' and 'Gender' Following the Gender Recognition Act?'
by Stephen Whittle and Lewis Turner
Manchester Metropolitan University
www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

advised Facebook re UK list of Genders:
www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10930654/Facebooks-71-gender-options-come-to-UK-users.html

Featured as a 'superhero' CBBC 'I am Leo'

2015 Appointed specialist adviser to the Women & Equalities Committee on Transgender Equalities matters:
www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/women-and-equalities/Formal-Minutes/2015-20-Parliament/Formal-Minutes-2015-16.pdf

Sad vic got shafted yesterday by Hudson

So here we go
Sad music beach, glittering sea. 2 transmen. Sad sad stories

Debbie given a couple of mins at end , no sad story

Exactly this.

Emotional puff piece to counteract Tara’s bird flipping yesterday?

Yep. The BBC are a disgrace. It's no one else's fault they chose to feature an unstable volatile male.

Emotion is the weapon of choice as there is no cohesive argument.

No women.

After all, who gives a fuck about the women?

Emotional puff piece to counteract Tara’s bird flipping yesterday? Steven Whittle is their big gun, one of the architects of the movement ant very adept at manipulation and has been on here before. Wouldn’ Believe a word.

Wonder if it was a hastily convened/scheduled piece in response to the Victoria D Tara thingy debacle yesterday?

You know, "BBC balance" and all that

Yeps but it was like they were forced into running a piece

Oh feck we had better do a quick piece

Sad vic got shafted yesterday by Hudson

So here we go
Sad music beach, glittering sea. 2 transmen. Sad sad stories

Debbie given a couple of mins at end , no sad story