Dr Nicola Williams on BBC2 at 10.15, Victoria Live

Sorry

I could have done without that memory resurfacing if I’m honest...

I miss the Tories' Sleaze Fest of the 80s. At least I understood the motivations of fairly vanilla rumpy pumpy with people you weren't married to.

YY. Bring back David Mellor and his toe sucking and Chelsea strip

Now it all clicks in to place....

Hopefully it will start clicking in some younger female circles.

Because I saw more than one young woman put at an elevated risk of STDs and an emotional life storm. Due to them not realising that a young man's insistence that TWAW can indicate both a remote consumption of trans porn, and ongoing "treating of oneself" with regular visits to trans prostituites. A good number of whom had significant drug issues and were known for lowering their risk barriers in order to better meet their economic needs.

The young men I knew who "treated themselves" required/desired a young female partner for mostly social inclusion reasons as far as I understood it (TWAW but you wouldn't take one to meet mother, or down the pub to meet your mates IYSWIM) They also anticipated bowing to social expectations to one day settle down and have a family. So....find a full time female partner for breeding and social acceptance, and TWAW on the side for romance and sexual needs met, seemed to be how they were combining conflicting wants.

Like I said, my best advice to young females in the market for a lifemate is to avoid the ones who cling tight to TWAW. Especially if they get angry when you challenge it. Obviously not all will have proclivities in that direction. But from what I saw, a girl didn't find out there actually were proclivities as part of the package she was tying her life, health and heart to, until it was too late to avoid physical harm or emotional pain.

So better safe than sorry IMO.

*Puts all those angry young woke bros on twitter into perspective, huh?

The harder they push TWAW the further away prospective female romantic interests should flee.

In my opinion, based on many years of extensive experience of men (furiously clinging to TWAW like a life raft in a stormy sea). In Bangkok*

Now it all clicks in to place....

Puts all those angry young woke bros on twitter into perspective, huh?

It does.

The harder they push TWAW the further away prospective female romantic interests should flee.

In my opinion, based on many years of extensive experience of men (furiously clinging to TWAW like a life raft in a stormy sea). In Bangkok.

Life would be better if fewer men were so hung up about being attracted to certain genitals. It's OK to like penis. Even if you have one too.

Change your Todger 'tude WokeBros, cos the sex of the person it is attached to is fixed forever. And no amount of weasel words playing linguistic twister with meaning will give you peace.

Peace won't come until you accept who you are, what you like sexually, and know that is OK.*

*within reason. I draw the line at Furby in Nappies sex as OK. That's just weird.

Yes that's also an excellent point!

And also, as someone said upthread ^ (paraphrasing) men who use trans porn are emotionally invested in the ‘TWAW’ concept because it means they don’t have to have to confront their own homophobia/internalised homophobia...

Puts all those angry young woke bros on twitter into perspective, huh?

Do you think it’s at all possible that Bercow himself shelters under the edge of the trans umbrella?

You've hit on something Betty that I have long suspected explains why so many men back the TRA agenda - that and straightforward misogyny.
Although thinking on it that's pretty much the same thing...

Sounds a bit like the special LGBT receptions they hold in number 10. Or the celeb-filled Stonewall gatherings. All top-notch and lavishly financed. Where is there any sort of comparable representation or consultation for women?

Since redefining women, they don't need to. Pink News/Stonewall sparkly gatherings now count as ticking the "pretend to give a shit about women and children" box.

2 Birds. 1 Stone. Aimed at us.

"Speaker Bercow was hosting the PinkNews summer reception in Westminster "
Sounds a bit like the special LGBT receptions they hold in number 10. Or the celeb-filled Stonewall gatherings. All top-notch and lavishly financed. Where is there any sort of comparable representation or consultation for women?
Bercow has never been politically neutral and he's never been a conservative except in the sense of wanting a high salary, low taxes and sod everybody else.

@Flora Bunting
I couldn't agree more. They seem to think they just have a right to stomp all over those who disagree, and that we are inferior.

John Bercow has always been a nasty piece of work but he's excelled himself now. Notice how he goes to special receptions held by Pink News.
I 'm sure Flora Bunting is on the right track when she moots noses in troughs. There is nothing new about British MPs getting goody-bags from lobby-groups. It happens with politicians all over the world. The TRA lobby group is quite staggeringly well funded, and women funnily enough are not.
In case anyone is interested, I am posting on GAB which is totally uncensored.
gab.ai/Green_Witch
I set up the account a month ago, foreseeing that Twitter would soon give me a permanent ban.

Oh, and because it hardly needs saying, I didn't, but I am disgusted with this squashing of representative democracy.

I think there are probably some very well connected noses in some well funded pink sparkly stunning and brave troughs right now. I'm not a researcher, but a number of us are and the follow-the-money hunt would probably be enlightening.

They all seem to like their pink news gongs and acclaimations

The number of influential policians speaking surrounded by Pink News branding is note-worthy.

It might give some the impression that they're sponsored by PN...

'Other people's rights'

That would be women, Berkoff. Actual real women with vaginas, and stretch marks, and breasts that bear the passage of time.

They all seem to like their pink news gongs and acclaimations, don't they. Do any of them read it?

John Bercow made a speech from Speaker's House at a Pink News reception July 4th 2018

OP junebedford82 wrote:
"Just saw this on P*k News
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/04/speaker-john-bercow-tells-pinknews-reception-2/

Bercow
"There’s still a huge challenge in terms of the trans community. We need to up our level of standing up for the rights of trans people. We shouldn’t allow people to peddle anti-trans messages under the guise of trying to protect other people’s rights. We shouldn’t let people muddy the waters in that way. It’s just not people screaming abuse in the streets – it’s sometimes people who have access to the media and can write articulately, and are using their position to push messages which I think result in very considerable and dangerous displays of hostility to trans people. Up with that we must not put, as Churchill might have said.”

What on earth is he doing? How can a supposedly-independent speaker intervene on something in the middle of the government consultation?"
Threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3298016-John-Bercows-rant-about-Gender-Critical-women

Postcards with Churchill quotes sent to The Speaker of the House of Commons:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3299190-Send-a-postcard-to-John-Bercow

Pink News (above) comments:
"House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has hit out at anti-trans voices in the media in a speech at the PinkNews summer reception in Parliament.

Speaker Bercow was hosting the PinkNews summer reception in Westminster in partnership with Zurich, which follows events in Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Although the holder of the office of Speaker is required to be politically independent, Bercow has repeatedly spoken up in favour of LGBT equality during his nine years in the role

He made no exception at the July 4 PinkNews reception in Speaker’s House, giving a “most explicit and unequivocal statement of support” for LGBT rights and PinkNews.

In his speech, the Speaker hit out at anti-transgender voices in the media, the week the government launched a much-criticised consultation on gender recognition rules." (continues)

BettyDuMonde

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if there were regular cross party lock ins at the HoP. Where our leaders wander around in furry costumes and nappies, looking lustily at the ones dressed as oversized three year old girls, sucking on massive dummies.

No doubt festivities draw to a close with all concerned looking all satisfied with the evening's collections of stains, both inside and out, of their party frocks and Puss in Thigh High Boots number.

I miss the Tories' Sleaze Fest of the 80s. At least I understood the motivations of fairly vanilla rumpy pumpy with people you weren't married to.

I know it's been a couple of days since the news, but it's been percolating in me and the light of my fury is just burning brighter and brighter.

I don't want the shock factor to diminish. I will not become inured to this.

They reward a rapist and paedophile by giving him access to incarcerated women and children.

He is convicted of four assaults and John Bercow is forbidding an MP, a man who represents his constituency, from asking how?

How many more women hating tossers are we going to have to get through?

Do you think it’s at all possible that Bercow himself shelters under the edge of the trans umbrella?

Bercow actively supports the Tran cause and has accused opponents of using spurious protection claims to deny trans rights. Not at all surprised he blocked the debate but it is a disgrace.

John Bercow is a well known and habitual misogynist.

He is not a well loved MP.

Govt policy put a rapist in a women’s prison. Women suffered sexual assault as a result. MPs asked to debate this and question ministers. Speaker John Bercow said No

So john bercow is another man in power who wants to increase vulnerable womens risk of rape?

Blokes, eh? And the stupid women who support this pile of crap, obviously.