The Times investigation - paedophile in women's prison

Slightly tinfoil blog site, but summary of concerns about CP here: www.cpexposed.com/about-common-purpose

Angry - there's already a thread in AIBU on this case . Probably needs the ST article adding to it

Bowl - CP are a strange organisation. Private Eye have been following them for years, insinuating that they are some kind of Masonic, cult group inveigling their way into power across the world. I attended one of their courses and must have missed the brain washing section, as it just seemed like generic leadership training to me...

I shared on fb this morning - no comments or responses at all
I’ve also emailed my msp the link as well as mentioning the Green Party scandal

Thank you to all who wrote and shared these articles. I am due to meet my MP to talk about self ID, GRA and the impact on women. Have been trying to work out how to frame what I want to say so that it isn’t just an incoherent, rage filled rant on my part. I think now that I will send these articles in advance, and ask what his views are, then just listen. How anyone could possibly read these and then try to justify the way we are heading is utterly beyond me.

Thanks, will take a look.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3357845-To-think-a-rapist-shouldnt-be-in-a-womens-prision-to-start-with

There’s an AIBU already

I can't typw well enough or reply to indivuals quickly enough for a good result on AIBU or I would. maybe if I get a good brain day I can try.

Yeah, I agree AAK. I was trying not to be too quick to judge as am feeling rather set off by all of this, but good grief the tone and language is awful. All about how to get the best result for the offender, not about anyone else's feelings or legitimate concerns.

Now I know that the view is that people must be allowed to move forward as rehabilitiated people otherwise a sense of pointlessness may lead to them re-offending, but surely if people are so easily set back and unprepared to deal with the consquences of their conviction (I was going to say consequences of their crime, but it is the victim who truly has to deal with that), why on earth are they being released in the first place.

And of course how many offenders really are truly rehabilitated when they are released? And sex offedners - we aren't talking about petty thefts or smoking weed. FFS.

I have just read the Sunday Times article and am beyond shocked that this man was transferred to a women’s prison on the basis of self identification alone. It makes no sense; and the people who allowed this should hold their heads down in shame.

They've come up before. Do you know @R0wantrees ?

In the comments an organisation called *common purpose’ are mentioned as having high level access and giving ‘woke’ training.

Who are this lot?

In all seriousness, who here is good at AIBU? Because both this and the erase the criminal history case need a wider audience (and having the Times cover both cases makes it easier to demonstrate that this is not just a case of the nasty feminists overreacting).

Not sure it's possible to overreact to a rapist being put in a women's prison and immediately raping several women.

Oh, that site rings all of my alarms. How to groom a potential new partner into both exposing herself to risk from you and allowing you access to her children.

How many chances does this guy get? :(

And yes, while he might have restritctions placed on him being around children by being on the sex offenders register, if/when this guy gets out, with SelfID he can go anywhere where women are.

Hmm, I have just googled for info on how/ when the court may place restrictions on offenders having contact with children and whether this would for example prevent a transwoman or man on the register from using public toilets or supermarket toilets etc.. and the first result is this hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgebase/information-relationships-children-dealing-social-services/ which is basically an info site for people with convictions, but is also involved with the move to help with the case on the other thread where a transwoman wants to remove their previous criminal history.

I appreciate that ex-offnders will need help to rebuild their lives, but from quick glances, I am not sure I like the site's tone.

Did anyone else notice that the article suggests that this person raped a woman while out on remand and was not then returned to prison?

Yep. And that one of the rapes took place in a bail hostel, something Fair Play For Women warned about in December last year:

fairplayforwomen.com/impact-gra-reform-community-probation-hostels-safety-concerns-women-residents-local-community/

Did anyone else notice that the article suggests that this person raped a woman while out on remand and was not then returned to prison?

Apparently putting rapists in women's prisons is part of a more general "let's make it as easy as possible for them to reoffend" policy.

Katara - I phoned the times the other week to cancel my subscription as I couldn't justify the usual 24/month. They offered me phone + PC access for just 8/month which I happily accepted. I never use the tablet anyway. Make sure you download the freebie book and rent the film and it's all a very good deal. And of course we continue to support this fabulous organisation.

Yes I went with the same offer. So glad I did.

I've just e-mailed my MP, too. As you say - feeling a little better, but my word, I really feel that this is something I want take to the streets about.

Right, just emailed my MP. Feel slightly better.

There must be an inquiry and not one that just scapegoats one or two people - there must be proper examination of the trans lobbies who have been allowed to influence policies, procedures and thinking

This.

Katara - I phoned the times the other week to cancel my subscription as I couldn't justify the usual 24/month. They offered me phone + PC access for just 8/month which I happily accepted. I never use the tablet anyway. Make sure you download the freebie book and rent the film and it's all a very good deal. And of course we continue to support this fabulous organisation.

I think it may be time for a “do one thing” thread.

Better than crying.

This case is even worse than I had realised.

The only positive is that I think the tide is turning and this issue is finally being discussed in public with less fear of being accused of transphobia.

But it's absolutely tragic that it takes the rape and abuse of numerous women and girls to get this issue even close to the mainstream media.