Karen White case - how MN can help build political pressure for change

David Gauke, the justice secretary, has just been on Today. He said it was a failure of assessment in this particular case, not of the policy. He was not challenged by Humphries

Stephen Doughty bright? Thoughtful? Honourable?? [snort]

Most news sources will purposely ignore this. As they will have been informed by trans lobby groups that reporting on stuff that 'never happens' makes people intolerant

I don't believe this is sustainable.

What is becoming increasingly apparent is the power that some trans-rights groups have had on those with power and influence including politicians & the press.

This is the thing which needs to be understood better.

At the Home Affairs select committee on hate crime, many of the newspaper editors interviewed described the various lobbies and trans-regulators that they worked with and alluded to the influence they have:
threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233421-Home-Affairs-Committee-Hate-crime-enquiry-Newspaper-editors-interviewed

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3238618-Trans-Media-Watch-has-written-to-parliament-saying-trans-identified-male-can-be-considered-as-hate-speech-and-that-Mumsnet-users-referring-to-penises-are-being-transphobic

James Kirkup wrote afterwards; 'Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?'

& concluded:
(extract)
"Surely a bright, thoughtful chap like [Stephen Doughty MP] didn’t mean to imply that it was his job as Member of Parliament to tell newspapers what they can and cannot write? Surely he had no intention of acting as if it is in any way appropriate for a politician to decide what is and is not acceptable for journalists to say, and how they say it? And I can only hope that it was by a simple accident that he singled out by name a female journalist and suggested that her employers stop her saying the things that she thinks – because Doughty happens not to like her saying those things?

As I say, I must assume that he meant none of these things, that he had no such moronic and bullying intent when he spoke and acted as he did. I assume that Doughty is an honourable politician determined to do his job in a democracy and ensure that matters of public policy are debated fully and honestly, whether or not some people find such debate offensive. Because, as I am sure Doughty knows, there is no right not be offended and if we ever let hurt feelings stop us discussing matters of public interest on the basis of the facts, everyone loses.

And it is because I am sure that he is wholly committed to such debate that I decided to write this article. Thanks for everything you’re doing to encourage the free press and open debate, Mr Doughty."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Most news sources will purposely ignore this. As they will have been informed by trans lobby groups that reporting on stuff that 'never happens' makes people intolerant. Though I would hope that most people are intolerant towards fucking rapists and pedos to start with.

I cannot believe that this is not on repeat on all 24 hour TV news stations.

The BBC coverage online coverage still remains six sentences from the local area at the time of White's court appearance:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45436953

relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

floral

Floral

It is hard to see how this case could be any worse.

Convicted paedophile and rapist who had specifically used places of vulnerability to offend on multiple occasions, was put into a women's prison containing a mother and baby unit.

I cannot believe that this is not on repeat on all 24 hour TV news stations.

Danton

Overton window, yes I know what you mean.

He raped women in a psychiatric ward. We must keep stating facts. All the information supports ALL women, SEX based spaces.

Its not just about prison and the more I've had the courage to speak out about this, the more I find people agreeing. I've had some upsetting responses, but more really encouraging responses.

Keep going folks.

Facts, facts, facts are the winner in this one.

Denying difference between men and women is what is really discriminatory.

Floral there are so many of us who are outraged by what has happened to women like you.

We can get change. We are legion

FloralBunting

It is beyond appalling.
Questions are being asked (far too late) but they can't be silenced now.

There should be an urgent question in the Commons.
There's a historic child abuse enquiry going on FFS.

floral

I am furious even thinking about it. I can’t even begin to imagine how this makes you feel.

Karen White raped someone in a mixed sex psychiatric ward and was still put in this prison?

I'm sitting here in floods of angry tears. How much do women have to endure before we are properly protected? How many more of these evil creatures are going to be given free reign by the odious dudebros who look at women like me, who was raped on a mixed sex psychiatric ward, and don't even think we merit attention beyond calling us bigots.

God, I am so upset I can hardly see to type.

Oldcrone I agree. My email was longer than that, pointing out that anyone who disagrees with these people, even previous allies, are thrown to the dogs. LM view is they are all lovely, misunderstood people. I was pointing out they are not.

That probably didn't come across in my post.

doesn't matter to me how unpopular my stance is. I'm not going to sacrifice my integrity on the shrine of popular opinion.

Hear hear.

The Prison Service needs a complete rethink and overhaul - but that has been true for decades. Politically, it's a hard sell to finance prison reform no matter how logical the argument nor how rationally the cost-savings can be shown to stack up over time.

she will be de-selected for a young, woke icon.

The sooner Labour MPs realise this...

The OP could also be taken as wanting to exclude actual women (you know the cunty type) from the women’s estate. And put them where? In with the men? I don’t care how violent they’ve been, I want other women protected from them, but I don’t want them raped!

Ordinary women have put their heads above the parapet. MPs should be standing with them and leading them, not cowering down because they're too scared of a bit of hate on twitter.

I agree. She's an elected politician.

So, this is truly the OP's only post on MN - and what a user name. No engagement - just a dump and run.

As PP said, definitely a way to get women on Jess P's side and do positive things for her profile.

Unless this is a cunning Russian ploy :)

My MP’s going to be emailed again next week (they already got yet another one last week) and I hope all the lurkers will to. This is an absolute bloody disgrace and needs to stop. The whole country should be hanging their heads in shame.

I have also asked if she or someone from her party will follow Caroline Lucas lead and meet with women's groups (and pointed out that I can see why she wouldn't, given the hate CL is experiencing)

I disagree that we should be letting MPs off the hook with 'I can see why she wouldn't'. We should not be ruled by cowards who are too scared to stand up for what they believe in. Ordinary women have put their heads above the parapet. MPs should be standing with them and leading them, not cowering down because they're too scared of a bit of hate on twitter.

Ive emailed my mp. Again.

Agree other pamayres.

Jess is currently terrified of being deselected by Momentum types. She is already had her cards marked as a 'blairite' and has supported Jewish MPs.

The bros have no loyalty, no matter how much she flirts with them to prove she's not like all those unwoke 2nd Wave feminists, she will be de-selected for a young, woke icon. Look what happened to Morgan (different group, same techniques). Look what happened to Kober.

You're not on this earth very long. For godsake woman, at least use some of the time to look yourself in the eye.

This.

It doesn't matter to me how unpopular my stance is. I'm not going to sacrifice my integrity on the shrine of popular opinion.

I judge most harshly the people who have the nous to understand that there is a huge and damaging lie being practiced on an enormous scale, yet still cannot find the courage and integrity to speak up and be unpopular.