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BISH - "proudly supported by....."

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Candidpeel · 06/09/2018 14:21

As @R0wantree linked to on the thread on crossing out 'gender' for 'sex' on school forms, but this deserves its own thread.

Take a look at 'BISH' website for teens.

www.bishuk.com/about-you/whats-your-gender/

Has a helpful diagram. People called 'he' and who look masculine tend to be tough, active and independent. People called 'she' and who look feminine tend to be soft, emotional and passive.

He goes into schools and youth clubs and gives training to teachers on sex and relationship education with this shit! bishtraining.com/

"Our genitals are on a spectrum in terms of: how much erectile tissue sticks out (clitorises and dicks and inbetween); where the prostate is; where the wee hole is; whether the gonads are inside or outside; vagina size. Many people are in the middle of this spectrum with how their bodies are configured."

WTAF? There is a spectrum as to where the prostate is? that makes just as much sense as saying there is a spectrum as to where the uterus is between males and females ! Confused

"Currently I’m heavily involved in the DO … project. This is a campaign to make great sex and relationships education happen in schools." www.dosreforschools.com/

BISH and the DO SRE FOR SCHOOLS project are both sponsored by Durex and DO involves serious people who know about biology like the Family Planning Association, Brook and the National Association of Headteachers.

....I hope they were just not paying attention. I think we could bring it to the attention of their twitter accounts that they are supporting the promotion of sexism and absolute biological nonsense into schools.

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FermatsTheorem · 06/09/2018 17:25

And in next week's science lesson - why it's okay if you believe the world is flat and god put the dinosaur bones in the earth as a test of your faith...

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 06/09/2018 17:20

Aargh, I'm assuming what might be in someone's pants (like the genital obsessed harpy I am) instead of accepting that it's all just a mystery and I don't really understand exactly how genitals work anyway!

Melamin · 06/09/2018 17:19

Are Durex making condoms for clitorises now? Confused

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 06/09/2018 17:17

the differences are so big that sometimes there are more similarities between a penis and a clitoris than two penises or two clitorises

Sooo..when you are getting changed after the gym and you see what you think might be a cock and balls on what could be a masculine presenting middle aged man, just remember, that might really be just a big clitoris and s/he might be a non binary unicorn. Yes?

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 06/09/2018 17:13

Feminine-takes part
Masculine- takes charge...
What a load of utter shite.

FloralBunting · 06/09/2018 17:01

It's the combination of the stunningly ignorant and inaccurate biology and the gross gendered stereotypical behaviour of 'gentle, sensitive' females and 'strong, independent' males.

It's boggling and despicable at the same time that liberal minded, progressive types actually subscribe to this utter bullshit.

FloralBunting · 06/09/2018 16:58

Lordha'mercy this stuff is just absolutely bloody ridiculous. I read yesterday that the human race will be extinct by 3000. I think that's a generous assessment if the next generation believes this tripe.

Ereshkigal · 06/09/2018 16:56

How hideously sexist that "gender scale" is.

Anlaf · 06/09/2018 16:54

I really really must work but this from bish training is amazing.

You have no idea exactly what is in someone's pants or how they work...

some [what??] are bigger some are smaller....Some bits stick out more than others

the differences are so big that sometimes there are more similarities between a penis and a clitoris than two penises or two clitorises

Now I've seen a fair number of cocks. But they were none of them - not one - like a clitoris.

This is antiscientific brain rot and it is (I assume) being taught to young people.

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Anlaf · 06/09/2018 16:37

*Candid's link
*billions of spelling mistakes

HotRocker · 06/09/2018 16:32

My prostate is in my ear.

Anlaf · 06/09/2018 16:27

Next we ask the children to draw pictures of an or a woman. How many of their people fit neatly into being a man or a woman? Look at the attributes for each man and woman. Which traits are always gendered and which are just about being human?

Presumably if they are male or female? Fucked if I know [Anlaf is sent to the deputy head's office for swearing].

Then a link for further learning. You'll love this kids.

genderbread person

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Anlaf · 06/09/2018 16:19

Reading on my phone and hadn't realised bish were being that stoopid diagram that is all over twitter (it's the left one in the op, e.g. twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1037613188194476032?s=19 )

I've had a scan of the DO lesson plans from R0's link and it's quite something.

Sample quotes from lesson plan 2

Key learning aims
To find out more about how complex and wonderful our genders can be, and how they can cross over with other aspects of our identities, including our sexuality

On the board, write ‘males’ and ‘females’ and come up with two lists that cover some of the commonly believed differences between males and females. 2. Consider the list in terms of appearance, behaviours, attitudes and expectations of each gender. It may help to prompt the class, for example: • What do we hear about boys? Boys are… • What do we hear about girls? Girls are… • All men like… • All women like… • Boys can… • Girls can… • Boys can’t… • Girls can’t...

(N.B. some students may − quite rightly − point out that there are more than two genders. Explain that the lesson is all about being critical of our binary view of gender and that all should be clear by the end).

[NARRATOR: Nothing was clear by the end]

So, you might associate there being two genders but that's unfair stereotypes, cos actually some people have a different gender. Lucky them eh!

MistOnTheWater · 06/09/2018 15:49

Do the people that wrote this batshite actually believe it? Did they get paid for writing this?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 06/09/2018 15:45

Anlaf, how awful that the article is now 15 years old and identifies all the same problems we have now but things have got worse rather than better.

SittingAround1 · 06/09/2018 15:38

aahhhh I'm not sure which one is more offensive the 'rational/emotional' or the 'active/passive' or all of them equally probably.

This is just another load of bullshit.

As for the 'genital spectrum' were these people sleeping during their GCSE biology classes ?

deepwatersolo · 06/09/2018 15:23

-"Our genitals are on a spectrum in terms of: how much erectile tissue sticks out (clitorises and dicks and inbetween); where the prostate is; where the wee hole is; whether the gonads are inside or outside; vagina size. Many people are in the middle of this spectrum with how their bodies are configured."-

I can already see boys being called half girls and bullied for some allegedly short penis.

astoundedgoat · 06/09/2018 15:22

And yes - I will complain to Durex.

astoundedgoat · 06/09/2018 15:22

I feel physically ill at the idea that children are being taught that if they are rational, strong and natural leaders then they are male.

That whole "spectrum" of feelings reduces women to actual literal handmaidens who need men to guide them. What is the next step? If you want to vote you are must be a man and identify as such to do so? Work? Have your own bank account?

I had hoped so hard that by now, gender would no longer oppress and pigeonhole nonconforming young men and women but it just gets worse and worse.

Anlaf · 06/09/2018 15:18

I can also imagine well meaning people going along with this. It supports that hazy idea that we're all just the same really, with just some minor differences in appendage size.

When it's really intended to queer (in the sense of Queer Theory) sex, so sex categories become meaningless and it's impossible to say what is a woman. What is a man? These are hard questions etc...

Then good luck trying to argue for women's rights.

More on Queer Theory here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3355827-Queer-theory-and-what-it-means-in-extremis

R0wantrees · 06/09/2018 15:17

worth reading, 'Feminist Relationships and Sex Education' lesson plans:
(extract)
Lesson four is all about consent. The sobering statistic from the latest Natsal study shows how consent is an issue for all genders, with 1 in 10 women reporting having had sex against their will, compared with 1 in 71 men. There is also now a greater awareness of the violence that trans folk face on a daily basis, particularly thanks to the work of activists like Paris Lees.. Consent and power are at the heart of DO… and in the post #MeToo world there is a huge opportunity for all schools to centre these issues in their RSE — we have got you.
embedded link re Paris Lees: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/epidemic-violence-transgender-people-experienced-stonewall

'All of these resources have been written by myself and Alice Hoyle, with guidance from the DO… steering group and also my mate and colleague Meg-John Barker. They are available for free, without sign-up, from dorseforschools.com."

bishtraining.com/feminist-relationships-sex-education/

stillathing · 06/09/2018 15:12

i am finding this especially upsetting! schools really really need good sex and relationship guidance, so i can imagine lots of right thinking teachers thinking they were doing a great thing by getting this training in.

the two schools that endorse the training on the website are very academic and are where some of the most privileged children in the world are educated. they are schools where the children are told they will be tomorrows leaders. one is a boys school. the thought of these kids swallowing this deeply sexist bullshit and then growing into so many privileged young men and holding positions of influence in our society is utterly chilling.

IAmLurkacus · 06/09/2018 15:12

This is fucking batshit. Of course all this could actually be solved by people actually TALKING to their children about sex, relationships and biology themselves.

Which I guess just means that those children who parents don’t talk to them or deliberately keep them misinformed so that they can abuse them are even more vulnerable to this utter, utter shit.

Imnobody4 · 06/09/2018 15:11

After googling I find he's close to Meg John Barker of recent BACP fame. It's simply not on that a small group of like-minded ideologues should be allowed to push their views unopposed or unquestioned in the powerful position of trainers. I'd say the same about any group with a specific slant.
Having said that some of his material seems quite good. It's the blurring of opinion (fantasy) and fact that really disturbs me.

Anlaf · 06/09/2018 15:11

*prostate

Look how far I've been psychically separated from my very small male organs! I can't even spell them right.