First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...

Quote trail 'it's still so taboo'

Fuck that, C4.

Channel 4 is doing a programme Married to a Paedophile which is part of the same normalisation.

Yes, my thoughts too.

Paedophiles are known to be among the most manipulative people - men - ever. It is known amongst savvy probation officers. Paedophiles are effective groomers - in both convincing people that a) they will not act on their attraction to children and/or b) that sexual activity is not harmful to children, that children can consent.

Either the prof was groomed successfully by those he consorted with during his days as a member of PIE - or he has some very dubious views that he has sought to suppress/deny as the PIE-types have once again fallen foul of fashion (as they should).

I've read a few bits & pieces on Queer theory - and it is always disturbing. Adding the Q (and the K? did they add K for kink or was actually a wind up??) was a big mistake by Stonewall.

I don't know about anyone else, but I think I'd like to go back to 'LGB' now. Some sort of moral outrage is needed here - I really resent being called a bigot by someone on twitter who posts selfies of themselves wearing an adult nappy.

Oh dear goddess that PVC-clad abomination.

When a male says that they know better than a woman what she wants sexually, that is a big red flag of a rapist and abuser right there.

The whole dynamic of it makes me think of that guy who rage wanked on his own phone to defile a picture of a woman who supported Repeal The Eighth.

"and I regard all coercive, abusive, violent and exploitative sexuality as a ‘bad thing’."

Uprhread someone said something about "no violence no harm" or similar as a paedophile argument

The prof doesn't say fucking kids is bad full stop. Where he draws his line at what constitutes coercion is anyone's guess.

Re the Plummer statement, this is from the Gilligan article

"As recently as 2012, Prof Plummer published on his personal blog a chapter he wrote in another book, Male Intergenerational Intimacy, in 1991. “As homosexuality has become slightly less open to sustained moral panic, the new pariah of 'child molester’ has become the latest folk devil,” he wrote. “Many adult paedophiles say that boys actively seek out sex partners … 'childhood’ itself is not a biological given but an historically produced social object.”
Prof Plummer confirmed to The Sunday Telegraph that he had been a member of PIE in order to “facilitate” his research. He said: “I would never want any of my work to be used as a rationale for doing 'bad things’ – and I regard all coercive, abusive, exploitative sexuality as a 'bad thing’. I am sorry if it has impacted anyone negatively this way, or if it has encouraged this.” However, he did not answer when asked if he still held the views he expressed in the Eighties and Nineties. A spokesman for Essex University claimed Prof Plummer’s work “did not express support for paedophilia” and cited the university’s charter which gave academic staff “freedom within the law to put forward controversial and unpopular opinions without placing themselves in jeopardy”.

Intergenerational in respect of sex should always be a red flag it seems.

Re the statement. I’m an academic. I’ve managed to never accidentally advocate for paedophilia. It’s really not hard.

Am I the only one longing for a little bit of healthy repression?

So that's what the Q stands for in LBGTQueertyuiop.

When did the organisations united by sexual orientation link up with the alphabet soup of sexual fetishists? How can Stonewall ("Acceptance, NO exceptions") have maintained its credibility with government, sponsors et al, while promoting the rights of the alphabet soup?

I think it's about time the parliamentary committee reconvened and and cross-examined Stonewall.

Is it just a coincidence that AC seems to be involved in this adult baby stuff and recently Neville Southall wanted to give over his account to adult babies?

Ugh. Can all these woman-hating, child-hating, dangerous pervs just fuck off.

Also Alice nailed it on queer theory from my personal experience:

I think queer theory is, at best, a way for boring heterosexuals to get to go on pride marches and be victim tourists. It also enables them to get more credibility for their dim-witted sexist and classist witterings.

At worst, it's bloody dangerous and a predator's wet dream.

IME it allows man-pleasing women to become proudly self-righteous self-abasing handmaidens. Absolutely falling over themselves to chuck the rest of their sex under the TRA bus by demanding that we all join them in the wholesale centring of male people.

I agree Braveandstunning

Perhaps now is the time to reintroduce the SCUM manifesto by Valerie Solanas.

obsessed with screwing; he'll swim a river of snot, wade nostril-deep through a mile of vomit, if he thinks there'll be a friendly pussy awaiting him. He'll screw a woman he despises, any snaggle-toothed hag, and, further, pay for the opportunity.

Read the highlights

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas

Solanas' treatise was an exercise in satire equal to that of Swift's A Modest Proposal. Just in case there are any TRA's or MRA's lurking.

Prof. Ken Plummer made this statement on his website back in 2014. In fairness to him, I think it's important to put things in context.

kenplummer.com/2014/07/27/child-abuse-and-paedophilia-an-open-letter/

ToetoToe

One can only guess at the horror and terror a 10 year old would be thinking if presented with such a scenario.

Queer theory seems like a bloody good excuse to do whatever you want.

Can you believe the people shouting Derek Jenson down like that??

Jeez.

Thanks from me to everyone for all the refs, will look!

Place marking because I have no words at the moment.

Apart from it's a stinking pile that's now been uncovered.

Keep up the great work you fabulous women's rights mumsnetters. xxx

Sheila Jeffreys has a book 'Unpacking Queer Theory' that is very good at deconstructing its arguments and driving home how harmful its agenda is for women and children.

Available for free from radfem.org/ in multiple formats, along with the complete works of Dworkin. Was posted on Mayday4Women just this morning, handily enough.

Ooooooh. He's involved in Swim England. Did not know that.

Really?

Edward Lord's involvement with the Football Association inclusion board has been discussed previously.

FA trans-inclusion links with Delia Johnston, Chris Paourus & Claire McCann discussed with regards WEP:

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325882-WEP-conference-questions-for-panel-of-trans-rights-advocating-barristers?pg=2

^ is a great video.

Sheila Jeffreys has a book 'Unpacking Queer Theory' that is very good at deconstructing its arguments and driving home how harmful its agenda is for women and children.

I have to disagree with Fallingirl's defence of queer theory. Advocacy of pedophilia has been there since the start of the discipline (ahem, Foucault), and the direction it's developed in since is IMO merely following that early logic.

It started out as a move away from rigid thinking in terms of binaries. That all social categories were neat and bounded and there were no overlaps between good/bad, gay/straight, black/white etc

Exactly. And this is what makes it so dangerous. The central tenet of queer theory is that transgressing boundaries is good for its own sake. QT abhors binaries, categories, rules, norms and taboos, all of which are deemed to uphold power structures, and argues that breaking them down is by definition liberating.

The broad-based support for pedophilia within queer theory naturally follows from this. (Hey, let's destroy those adult/child, abuser/victim, good/bad binaries! Radical!) I say broad based because there are so many prominent queer theorists who have advocated for pedophilia - it can't be blamed on a few rogue scholars. And some (Foucault, Rubin and Califia, for a start) have campaigned to abolish age of consent laws.

It's not just the older writers either. In her 2012 book 'Gaga Feminism' Judith/Jack Halberstam calls for 'a much-needed public conversation about the folly of imposing sexual regulation on children and the wisdom of making more-neutral assessments about what children want'.

www.aroomofourown.org/gaga-feminism/

Advocacy on behalf of pedophiles really does seem to be a central plank of the discipline. Derek Jensen of Deep Green Resistance has a good video, 'Queer Theory Pedophilia Jeopardy', that makes this point in a few minutes.

He reads out quotes from famous queer theorists endorsing child sexual abuse and has people guess who said it (e.g., 'Who is Judith Butler'). The most sobering bit of the video is the last question: Q: 'Queer theorist who has spoken out strongly against pedophilia.' A: 'Who is no one.'

And yes, am aware that now NSPCC have let children down by cancelling MN chat.