Jeremy Corbyn Facing Backlash Re. Self Id

Doesn't the BSA survey also say that a considerable number of people don't think trans people should be teachers or police officers? Which is contradictory but it suggests many people feel they should be sympathetic to them but they're concerned about the fitness of people with gender dysphoria to perform some roles. My guess anyway.

I'll try and find a link. It was in the Guardian.

Good. I hope the conference is swamped with TRAs. And the BBC shows their face/s. Time for the airbrushing to be exposed

Well done Amy

Is there any way of finding out who is attending the women's conference?

I've written to my Labour MP twice and got a standard cut and paste you are a bigot and I'm not engaging with you response, so had decided she wasn't worth wasting any more energy on, as she's been such a waste of space generally I doubt she'll get through another election. BUT - if she's going to be there I'll renew my penpal relationship with her

LM :“Labour has used a trans inclusive definition of woman for decades and a small group of bigots won’t make us move backwards on this front.

“Things like the British Social Attitudes Survey make clear people on the whole, and overwhelmingly women are happy for trans women to be in women’s spaces."

Its amazing how this survey is cited to prove how embracing UK society is on one hand or depending on the point that is being made, the recent Stonewall survey is cited which 'proves' how dangerous & transphobic UK society is.

Both of these surveys do not actually demonstrate the conclusions that are claimed for them by some TRAs. Journalists need to be briefed about them both as they are nuanced.

Its very important to make the repeated point that this is a cross party issue as was so clearly demonstrated by the panel at recent Fawcett Society hosted event:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3310443-Fawcett-Society-Live-stream-from-5-30pm-Courage-Calls-Ask-her-to-stand

Its possible & likely that the Conservatives / right wing press may seek to make this a 'loony left issue'. It isn't, it cuts across politics, public and private services etc.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text

How can Lily Madigan claim that the majority of people agree that transwomen, are women when Pink News says only 13% of Tory voters and 18% of people generally, agree with it.

Maybe they think that only a subset of people qualify for personhood. You know, the special ones. The ones with the right views.

Lily is referring to the Social Attitudes Survey, which had results that most people would be happy for a trans person to use the toilet of their preferred "gender" rather than their actual sex. But the survey is quite old and did not explain that transgender does not mean transsexual and so would often come with penis attached.

The two professional surveys carried out that have made this difference clear have come out with only 25% and 18% support for self-ID, with significant majorities against reported across all ages groups, both sexes, and all party political affiliations.

How can Lily Madigan claim that the majority of people agree that transwomen, are women when Pink News says only 13% of Tory voters and 18% of people generally, agree with it.

Because Lily subscribes to lists which auto blocks anyone who disagrees with her or even associates with people who disagree with her.

I guess it would seem like most people support self-ID if you'd blocked most of Twitter and could only see comment from people pre-screened to agree with you.

Meanwhile, in reality...

I have as much faith in Corbyn on this issue as I do on his attitude to antisemitism.
None.

One of the articles about Linda Bellos claimed that LB is good mates with Jeremy Corbyn. If true, I hope that she can talk some sense into him and end this madness.

I thought JC refused to meet with LB?

Maybe Lily has taken a of poll people on Lily's Twitter? The one where you only see comments about how stunning and brave Lily is interspersed with variations on "you ok, hon?"

If LM blocks anyone who remotely questions any particle of their fantasy realm, maybe it is posible to believe everyone is onside in the face of silly things like evidence. Probably not the most sensible approach for a politician!

It's time Jeremy Corbyn realised that the behaviour of the shouty woke lefties is not a vote-winner.

It is if your objective is to be leader of a virtue-signalling party in futile opposition. Which is pretty much the Corbyn position.

One of the articles about Linda Bellos claimed that LB is good mates with Jeremy Corbyn. If true, I hope that she can talk some sense into him and end this madness.

If passed, the motion could be chosen for debate in the main conference, but backers fear the party wants to avoid controversy.

Questioning male people is controversial?

exactly Datun I think its clear to many of us now, that its a worrying trend when young trans identified males are elevated to such positions of authority, far too quickly, and don't actually reflect reality at all.
This will have HUGE backlash for the labour party.

Well done to Amy Brookes.

I know my Corbyn-loving friend is concerned about self-id and not happy about all women shortlists being opened to self-id transwomen. The tide is turning surely.

How can Lily Madigan claim that the majority of people agree that transwomen, are women when Pink News says only 13% of Tory voters and 18% of people generally, agree with it.

In my link, it showed Nick Ferrari saying that exact thing. In the same article!

Good, maybe Magic Granddad will pull his head out of the sand and make some attempt to save his party from imploding. This would be a bloody stupid issue to lose an election over.

And this sort of action against left wing women's freedom of assembly.

Well done, Amy! Perhaps my pusillanimous CLP (big reason why I left) will actually grow a spine.

It's time Jeremy Corbyn realised that the behaviour of the shouty woke lefties is not a vote-winner.

A lot has happened since the 2017 General Election. I voted for Labour in that election - I wouldn't give them my vote today.

This sort of behaviour. I cannot stand Jacob Rees Mogg, or his politics - but he came off looking considerably better than the masked mob.

Tw will swamp the women's conference though, won't they

tbh, given the recent attitude of the Mayor of Liverpool in re: Stickerwoman I should think it might well be a popular rallying point.

This is part of the women's fringe rather than main conference isn't it?

That's unusually balanced for the Huffington Post.