Green Party statement continuation thread

Aimee has retweeted this statement from the GirlGuides.
twitter.com/Girlguiding/status/1034459560008925185

wouldn't JUST describe him

Datun

Where did you read that about the threat to the victim? That's disgusting

By the way thecat

I'm of the view that David Challenor was a paedophile and rapist.

I wouldn't describe him as an abuser.

thecat

But, given that, how the fuck did they come to be effectively running that Green Party ward?

Given that you posted:

I'm quite sure living with an abuser affected Tina and Aimee.

One can presume, perhaps wrongly, that the running of the Green Party ward wasn't done by either Tina or Aimee. However, an independent investigation is needed to solve this conundrum.

With regards to the previous thread that a couple of people have enquired about, both the news story and the conversations around it have moved on, so we have decided not to re-publish
It's a pity as it was a minefield of information and a good example of what happens when safeguarding is ignored

Anyone who screened the Baloo fb page please contact me asap

So it appears that the chairs of the LGBTQIA+ Greens have no control over Aimee. They have no authority to compel Challenor to remove this strapline from their twitter profile: Equalities LGBTIQA+ Spokesperson for @TheGreenParty. Co-convener of Global Greens LGBT+ Network.

This is despite the fact that apparently Aimee is no longer in any of those roles.

Incidentally, Aimee has been very busy deleting stuff all over the place in the last 24 hours.

AC already gave interview to huffpo

tbh, I'd think that anyone repeatedly photographed with senior figures who are likewise running for posts as senior as Leader/Deputy Leader would be senior.

Never mind someone on the receiving end of tweets of admiration for how delightful it was to meet AC and father (as per Caroline Russell).

From further down the thread that Amalfi just posted...

Placemats Yes, it IS desperately needed.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that.

The implication in Caroline Lucas' tweet is that any investigation underway at present - and we've been assured an investigation was begun immediately - wasn't independent.

That's staggering.

And - finally - if Aimee's judgment was skewed, and she makes a big, public case for this, ALL THE POLICIES SHE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH REQUIRE REVIEW

Yes they do thecatfromjapan

Agree Amal

I think the response from Caroline Lucas is spot on. And independent investigation is needed in this case.

Caroline Lucas 'not aware of that' and 'calling for' an investigation independent of Aimee?

WTAF?!

That is NOT a denial.

That is a suggestion that an investigation independent of Aimee needs to be establishex.

And the fact that Aimee is still posting on the Green Party LGBT+ account suggests that the Green Party DID hand an awful lot of the organisational nuts and bolts to her (and anyone she might have been under the influence of).

And the membership data for that ward.

I suspect the LBGTQ+ data, too.

So, even trying desperate stuff like: 'Aimee was just a figurehead' - a defence which would make the Party look very cynical - isn't going to wash.

Aimee still has access to stuff like the Party LGBT+ account.

Thankthefuckinglord

The result of Aimee's political agenda will mean that the victim of David Challenor's vile crimes will never be entitled to a space free of male presence, male influence, male bodies, and penises.

Yeah. Great.

Exactly, Lang. Exactly.

And - finally - if Aimee's judgment was skewed, and she makes a big, public case for this, ALL THE POLICIES SHE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH REQUIRE REVIEW.

Well, quite. A political agenda to dismantle women's rights and the safeguarding of children and adults arrived at by a person while under undue influence by a cross-dressing paedophile child rapist and torturer?

How the fuck does that make the agenda any more palatable?

Thanks placemat I can see how it would fit personally. Do you want to say why it does not fit (pm if you would rather..or not!)

From what I know ODD and similar symptoms given different names, would not be unlikely given a disiturbed childhood where both parents have 'issues'. It is often co-morbid with other conditions.

I think these disorders may explain (or not) but do not absolve and MH services need much greater funding to diagnose and treat disordered people. I feel worried when I hear the statistic 1in 4 have a MH problem at one time or another as I think that while it may aim to reduce stigma for thigns like depression and anxiety, it also hides and neglects serious MH problems and the people who have them, which then excuses cuts in funding.

To me, this seems to fit with some campaigns to normalise different moral values and even deviant behaviour, and to me leads to encouraging hiding in plain site. We don't need to shame but we do need to see certain things as a problem, to condemn and stop them, not just think, "oh it is a bit different but fine" as the Greens seem to be doing.

No.

It can't quite 'work'.

I'm quite sure living with an abuser affected Tina and Aimee.

But, given that, how the fuck did they come to be effectively running that Green Party ward?

And how did the Green Party let them have such influence and profile nationally?

And - finally - if Aimee's judgment was skewed, and she makes a big, public case for this, ALL THE POLICIES SHE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH REQUIRE REVIEW.

And, of course, all those who hung out with Aimee and her father have a few questions to answer as to why the didn't ever pick up on something so awry.

I think it's all pretty irretrievably toxic for the Green Party, really.

Because, even if their friendly press don't run it, other, unfriendly, sources will. Identity politics is, indeed, a pretty alarming facet of our political culture but, to win parliamentary and council seats, you do tend to need to appeal wider than the crank pool.

(And I feel so, so sorry for the victim of David Challoner in this. It must be appalling to witness what must feel like a minimising by a major political Party, along with a complete failure to acknowledge all the harm done to her.

I am so so sorry this happened to her.

May she be strong and joyful. May her life bring her all she needs to live past this with courage, love and beauty.)

It is always very hard to know when a vulnerable daughter (or son) who has grown up in care and is still young is responsible for that they do or not. My bottom line would be to say fora political party 1. you need people approaching 30 ideally (or older) with work experience and stability in their lives and 2. you need vetting otherwise parties are brought into disrepute.

If anyone is interested in the academic/psychological side of this kind of thing (and it not the same circumstances as here) the UK trial of Alison Mack will bring up similar issues - either victim of the "cult" leader and forced into what she did or else (FBI case) responsible for her own actions.