Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC

I particularly enjoyed Vicky's sad story about their disabled relative, who is frankly just grateful to get any care at all, never mind being able to decide the sex of who gives that care.

And Ferrari's response that this was sad, but didn't address the reality of women (and men!) being allowed to decide the sex of their HCP or person giving intimate care.

What was happening there was a trans person attempting to use an oppression hierarchy, and doing the usual piggy backing on someone else's issue.

Is it wrong that disabled people struggle to get the care they need? Yes. Does it have anything to do with women being forced to accept people with penises providing intimate care? None at all.

What our trans contributor was attempting to do was say "Women should shut up and be grateful for whatever they can get and not assert their rights and personal comfort preferences" and Ferrari wasn't having a bar of it.

I'm really grateful for Dr Julia Long's stellar performance there, but I wanted to highlight the way Vicky was trying to interact with the male presenter - the tactics are fascinating and it was great to have someone see right through it.

Julia and certainly has a radio voice, I suggest other feminists - if approached - pass on radio to Julia.

I think she is amazing. The warm sense of humour in the tone of her voice works wonders to disarm people, but as you say, vaginafetishist, she keeps the focus on women and girls, doesn't concede or compromise and knows her stuff so she can listen properly and deliver key facts at just the right moment.
Masterful stuff right there.

Why is Julia so effective in exposing tra rhetoric and tactics? She doesn't start by apologetically stating that she supports trans rights and the ability of everyone to identify as they wish.

She keeps the focus on women, their rights and reality as we all understand it.

Julia speaks calmly with humour, not the angry woman the TRA club promoter wants the feminist to sound like.

If anyone's having trouble with the "listen again" link, Anne Ruzylo has put it on SoundCloud here: m.soundcloud.com/anne-ruzylo/julia-long-on-lbc-21-08-18

Julia was great - clear, articulate, and relentlessly centring women. Are you listening, Womens Hour? This is what we need you to do to stand up for ACTUAL WOMEN.

More Julia, she explains things in a way everyone will understand.

Why is Julia so effective in exposing tra rhetoric and tactics? She doesn't start by apologetically stating that she supports trans rights and the ability of everyone to identify as they wish.

She keeps the focus on women, their rights and reality as we all understand it.

So good you were Julia Long! Thank you for speaking sanity to this obsession to protect men's feelings. Poor men. They lose.

What time does the relevant dialogue happen the second time?

After much arsing around with the LBC player I finally got to hear it.

Brava Julia Long!

So satisfying to hear it. Going back in to hear from the callers.

I hope TRAs use the club promoter more, they will peak the nation.

I haven't listened yet, but it seems there's been a reiteration of the different types of women argument eg royal women, poor women, trans women but all women though different life experiences?

cf Jane Fae on Jeremy Vine May 2018 ('the Queen and a poor women have nothing in common'):
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256772-Guess-how-I-got-suspended-from-the-Labour-Party

also Sue Pascoe (Channel 4 inclusion advisor) who describes herself as a "woman with a trans past"
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

Emily Brothers a 'woman with trans experience' Radio 4 Today with Lucy Masood March 2018
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3200310-Radio-4-now

"Snakes will be snakes" sigh

Incident reported last week (Scotland) two girls aged 10 & 12 were sexually assaulted in women's supermarket toilets by 17yr old who seems likely male & does not identify as a man:

It raises serious safeguarding concerns for young girls:

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/702003/fife-teen-on-sex-offenders-register-after-supermarket-child-attacks/

The article linked above describes how two young girls (aged 10 & 12) were sexually assaulted by a 17yr old in women's toilets in supermarkets. The article uses gender neutral desciptors and pronoun for the attacker. It also records direct speech describing them as looking and sounding 'male/man'

It seems likely that the attacker was male-born but does not identify as a man. As they are 17, they could not have a GRC.

The father of one girl had waited outside (as is common)

There has only been (I think) this one article and the court is adjourned pending pre-sentence reports.

Additionally the attacker had social care involvement and had gone to the supermarket with a carer.

Its a really serious and significant case & as social care are involved there will likely be a serious case review :
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

Every time transwomen open their mouths they prove they are male. Like telling us what we can/can't talk about. And these 'types' of women: they've just broadened it out from the old dichotomy of good girls & bad girls, virgin & whore.

Placemarking to listen to this later.

Thanks!

This is dangerous. I have been accosted twice in toilets by a man. Once when I was 10 and again when I was 25. Although I didn't realise it at the time people responses - shouting, chasing the man, checking I was ok were validating that I had been in danger and was right to be terrified. Now if men are allowed in women's toilets then the response could be "it's no big deal..just stop making a fuss and get on with it.." That was how they were teaching the young orang-utans to be scared of snakes on orangutan school, the other day . It is effective Maybe that is what they don't like

After the 9am news

Our gym teacher was in the shower room constantly. She would check that we all had showers - in the massive open shower with no curtains. There might be a bit more dignity today, but I still wouldn't want a coach who was a biological man in the changing rooms.
Julia was fantastic. So were most of the callers. Nice to see men 'getting it'.

Where in the show was Julia speaking? I can't find it.

I think the 'angry wimmin' calls to an old stereotype eg Viz's Milly Tant

This is dangerous. I have been accosted twice in toilets by a man. Once when I was 10 and again when I was 25. Although I didn't realise it at the time people responses - shouting, chasing the man, checking I was ok were validating that I had been in danger and was right to be terrified. Now if men are allowed in women's toilets then the response could be "it's no big deal..just stop making a fuss and get on with it.."

Claiming to be a male woman opens up access to speaking roles,,advisory positions, media appearances etc.as well as female spaces and opportunities designed to boost female representation

In a world where women (50% + of the population) are underrepresented in so many areas, it is an open goal.