Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC

Just listened - fantastic, well done Julia. I’ll bet that helped trans peak a few listeners. This is the thing, there is a huge majority of people who have never given any of this any thought at all. It’s just not in their radar. Most of my friends for sure anyway. When they hear calm, educated and articulate people like Julia just talking sense, it’s obvious to them - this TRA nonsense is just not going to fly in the real world.

I do hope there are no jealous feelings towards Julia, we need the best person for the job.

Oh i know, duplicitous . Just wonderful.

Just listening now.
Those comments from Vicky about the care of an elderly patient are shocking, utterly shocking. The lack of understanding that a woman might need a female carer or HCP to attend to their needs says it all really.

This truly is the hill I am willing to die on.

'Julia sounds like a skilled communicator'

And I think she reminds us all what a rare thing that is

Julia sounds like a skilled communicator. She:

Speaks in plain, understandable language. Summarises the reason behind the penis stickers in a few short sentences that are easily grasped. Does the same for the notion of Gender self-declaration. Manages to broaden the discussion from changing rooms to the dignity, privacy and security rights of women.

And finally, she uses the powerful and accurate description for trans ideology: it's duplicitous.

A superb advocate.

Lisa Vogel founder Michigan Womyn’s Festival, quoted in Jonny Best's update to recent article: 'The truth about Michigan Womyn’s Festival and trans women — a correction.'
(extract)
"I don’t think this is the greater trans community doing this. I’ve known too many trans women who have it in their hearts to recognize both the similarities and differences between trans womyn and born female. I see a small network of privileged trans women who carry a lot of financial and political clout, who are connected to deep deep pockets and broad political influencers who are running the story tirelessly. And doing a fucking brilliant job of controlling the cultural narrative and advancing legislative changes. In all things we are experiencing now — it only takes the inaction of good people, willing to do nothing, for this to define the shape of our world. "

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/the-truth-about-michigan-womyns-festival-and-trans-women-a-correction-899d8e49f655

Do you remember Jess Bradley state on Sky news that no trans activists wanted to debate because the press and feminists then started to dig into who they were?

There's a great deal of information on these threads and questions should be asked of those who are influencing policy, public services and society:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

And that's why the stickers work so bloody well - there so nothing on them that a sane person can dispute or argue against.

I'm catching up, but re the Scottish toilet incident:

“She explained that a crazy man with long hair was in the bathroom

But referred to as 'they' throughout. Curious.

I just listened too. Really refreshing to hear the facts being backed up by the presenter.

Woohoo! Julia you were absolutely magnificent

Julia was amazing completely uncompromising in her message as to the safety of women and girls.

Ferrari absolutely refused to let Vicky derail or take over the conversation. I do wonder why one of the usual suspects on the TRA side weren’t interviewed- Vicky was very much a lame duck and clearly had no idea of what women’s problems with this is. The fact they couldn’t even say the word “penis” was telling.

#stickerwoman truly is the gift that keeps on giving.

Do you remember Jess Bradley state on Sky news that no trans activists wanted to debate because the press and feminists then started to dig into who they were?

That's exactly what I thought Sarahconnor1. Vicky goes out of their way to insist they aren't either male or female. But somehow believes that female changing rooms etc are where they belong - odd. One would think this would be exactly the kind of person who would be fighting for gender neutral facilities.

"Vicky is a contributor to a number of magazines and has been featured and appeared on many television programs. She is an advisor to ‘Forum Magazine’. She has contributed to a number of authority ‘Diversity Forums’ including the Metropolitan Police and the City Police. Vicky has been honoured and thrilled to judge a number of top class transgender pageants. She has given talks and helped present stage events at ‘Sparkle’ transgender celebration.

One of the 2 'Sparkle Awards for Lifetime Achievement, Outstanding Contribution to the Transgender Community and BEST Transgender NightclubAt a time before the internet, Vicky Lee’s series of ‘Tranny Guide’ books did a tremendous amount to expand awareness of the opportunities and scale of “transgender” activity and helped the transgender scene mature. In 2008 Vicky Lee was presented with TWO ‘Sparkle’ TG awards

first a personal ‘Sparkle’ TG award for ‘Lifetime Achievement’ and ‘Outstanding Contribution to the Transgender community’
second the ‘Sparkle’ TG award for ‘The Best Transgender Night Club’
These awards were voted for on the Sparkle’ web site by thousands from all around the world.

Vicky also runs The WayOut Publishing Company which grew from ‘The Transvestites Guide to London’ in 1992 written together with Caroline Egerton. This first slim volume with no pictures were sold from club to club from their handbags. This first book became to ‘The Transvestites Guide to London’ which in 1995 became the annual international ‘Tranny Guide’. In 2005 Vicky published two books one an encyclopedia of ideas that includes some of Vicky’s biography and second the ultimate guide to the tranny world, her ‘Transgender AtoZ. Currently the publishing company concentrates on the internet and is helping a variety of businesses with web sites and promotion."

I wonder if the pageant mentioned is the one sponsored by Sue Pascoe and the Indian private medical company?
discussed in recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

Pombear. Too late I took a look at the link. This quote from Vicky stood out

'I am an inbetweenie, not man, not woman, not straight, not gay'

So Vicky doesn't consider themself to be a women but still wants access to women's single sex spaces (I know the grammar here is odd but it's the only way I can frame it without being deleted)

Vicki Lee, sorry. New it started with an L.

'the lefty radio dude James'

Ah yes, the lovely James O'Brien. Fawns all over Paris Lees etc like his life depends on it. He's a real woke bro type. Calls himself a feminist too Excellent at skewering Brexiteers though!

I am far from a fan of Nick Ferrari's, and he really is no feminist ally, but fair is fair, and he did a great job today of challenging the nonsense and refusing to be derailed. I usually really like Cathy Newman, but was SO disappointed at her fawning all over Caitlyn Jenner on that C4 gender debate a few months ago.

PS: I'm not sure if I'd recommend spending your lunch perusing that link. Either you'll continue chortling (and raise an eyebrow at all the standard tropes rolled out for what's 'girly' and what's not) or you may fall into 'angry woman' mode. And wonder whether Vicky's partner would have benefited from the transwidow thread twenty years ago?

I'm not angry at Vicky per se - be who you are, live your life well - but don't use it as an excuse to trample over the biological category of women and use us as props to support your 'deep need' to share our experiences and spaces.

People like Victoria Derbyshire, Cathy Newman and Philip Schofield, the lefty radio dude James, are so despirate for virtue cookie along with being quite skills limited for their profession, they allow Jenner and the like - to waste time talking about dull irrelevant narcissistic goobledegokk - no real debate can take place.

pombear

Urgh. That is not someone who should be sharing intimate same sex spaces with women.

Julia was brilliant.

I'm still chortling at the three categories of women. Maybe instead of ticking male/female on official forms, or male/female/non-binary, they could have three categories: transwoman, angry woman or lesbian woman.

Really solid work there Julia, fantastic interview!

Vicky Lee, eh?

This Vicky Lee? www.thewayoutclub.com/vickylee/who-am-i/
(Vicky's own words below, but I've * out a specific word that would potentially get this post removed given current Mumsnet guidelines)

How much of a sexual turn on is tring for you? When I was young I would get an erection and masturbate after dressing. But at the same age I would masturbate at ANY time. My partner prefers to wear nothing when we are intimate and took a long time and counselling to accept my feminised body. Clothes can make me feel sexy but happiness is my only aphrodisiac.

Do you feel you have any choice in your TG thoughts and actions?
Very definitely NOT. All of my life, when I least expect it I find myself seeing a female image or activity that triggers a deep need to share the look or the experience.

Hmm, like the experience of a female changing room?