Why is he crying? Laura Huteson death

Another case ongoing

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/richard-bailey-charlotte-teeling-sex-15045628

2003 - the murder of Jane Longhurst (26 years for Coutts)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jane_Longhurst

Another case. Times up for "sex games gone wrong".

mobile.twitter.com/jessicae13eaton/status/1030543583877767169

I’m going to draft some emails for MPs and criminal justice charities over the bank holiday weekend about this when I should have a bit of time.

Thanks.

No news back from the petition site yet, but will post here when there is

Some of the above cases the man got a life sentence (in Anlaf’s post) which is as it should be.

2011 Julie Bywater - 19 years.

2016 Katie Locke - 26 years

2010 Kerry Sneddon - life

2010 Lisa Ruth Consterdine - 14 year minimum sentence.

In those cases the court seemed to be able to see the ‘sex game gone wrong’ defence for what it was and arrive at a just sentence.

So what was different in Laura and Chloé’s cases?

It’s deeply shocking and I’m ashamed to say I had no idea the extent of it.

So much on this thread, let’s hope a journalist picks it up.

It's truly shocking seeing so many cases collated together like this. One reads the odd case and thinks that's bloody appalling before moving on, but getting a picture of the extent of the problem and frequency of cases really highlights the common factors - the main one being that violent men are getting away with murder. This has to stop.
This is incredibly important, thank you for doing this. What is happening about the petition?

While I had the google open, some more women.
I don't currently have the stomach for more, but kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/ will have all (or near all) women killed in the UK recently and I have no doubt there are more cases like these:

2011 Bournemouth. Man convicted of Julie Bywater's murder, although he claimed she'd throttled herself in a bondage sex game gone wrong. 19 years sentence - he was her ex and became obsessed after she dumped him www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/390775/jilted-lover-gets-life-for-massage-couch-murder/
www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8824653.Jury_in_Julie_Bywater_murder_case_sees_CCTV_footage/

2010 Yorshire. Violent controlling serial cheat strangles Kerry Sneddon, and "He told officers when arrested that the beauty therapist encouraged him to apply 'a little bit of pressure', and they had done it six or seven times in sex sessions - although he didn't like doing it." Gets life for murder.
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/serial-cheat-gets-life-for-murdering-his-girlfriend-1-2573219
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267510/Kerry-Sneddons-stangling-death-sex-game-gone-wrong-Jason-OMalley-tells-Sheffield-court-jury.html

2016 Herts. Man murders woman on their first date. Katie Locke (23) was strangled after meeting him on PoF. He was convicted of murder and got 26 years, after the court heard he had admitted the murder to his mother saying he had strangled Ms Locke in a sex game which went wrong. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-36444185

2010 Oxfordshire. Man convicted of murder of his partner Lisa Ruth Consterdine, 14 yr min sentence. He first claimed that he'd strangled her while sleepwalking, then changed his story to "sex game gone wrong".
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-12691319
www.shropshirestar.com/news/2011/03/08/audlem-murder-trial-told-of-sleepwalking-claim/

2009 West Lothian, man convicted of murdering his wife Carol Jarvis through means unknown using the defence "sex game gone wrong"
www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/921085/harry-jarvis-bathgate-west-lothian-murderer-killer-floorboards-dead/

1946 man murders two women in sex game gone wrong (he pleads insanity). Margery Gardner forever remembered as having a taste for bondage
murderpedia.org/male.H/h/heath-neville.htm

And a very short way into the thread linked above is a poster saying "actually I enjoy the act you mention, and personally have found myself having to persuade (for want of a better word) my male partners to do". That's all very well for those posters, but other women are dying because of this 'act' being seen as cool and exciting.

Thanks Chatty, I was dead-eyed about it for years and then realised it was not ok. Therapy has helped a lot.

Aye Science, it's the old "she'd had sex before so we must assume she consented with this completely new person under totally different circumstances"

It'd be really useful to show something like:

1. choking/strangulation is increasingly expected by young men
2. having previously spoken about this or even tried it with a different partner may therefore be common
3. this is in no way an indication that the dead woman consented at a later date
4. Claiming a sex game gone wrong is often used by men who have in fact murdered their female partners

I suspect most juries currently go "well that's pretty outre, can't be coincidence she'd once talked about it with a previous partner, must be reasonable doubt that this wasn't murder as she sounds like she'd have consented and what a tragic outcome for the poor lad" etc.

@Anlaf, in the Chloe case, apparently, the defence managed to dig up an old boyfriend who agreed that she had an interest "in choking".
Wonder how much of an incentive he got for 'remembering' that detail?

Jesus. So sorry Anlaf.

There's another case in that thread linked:

2017, Nottinghamshire. 24 year old lad strangles and kills Hannah Pearson(16!) after he'd regularly watched strangulation pornography (was "obsessed" with it). Manslaughter, although charged with murder. He claimed he was giving her a massage and she had agreed to pressure on her neck - also reported to have claimed "sex game gone wrong".
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-40670225

Salright Chatty!

I have some interest in this as - I believe inspired by one of the cases above which we'd talked about earlier in the day - my then-boyfriend strangled me while having sex. If I'd died there's no doubt he'd have said I asked him to.

This was an age ago, but v similar to much of the above. I was 21ish, he was early/mid 30s and as strong as a bloody ox.

There's another thread on here I've talked about this - it's worth digging out I think www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3165779-19-year-old-DD-tells-me-ALL-boys-want-to-throttle

Thank you Anlaf

Tbh in the absence of any info about Chloe going back with this guy from the bus stop, (CCTV for eg) I think it’s quite likely that she was just abducted.

It's even worse that that Topsys, in the case of Chloe Miazek above, it seems that she did not consent to being strangled. But he still got off with murder.

2007 Ipswich, two men claim Nicola West asked to be strangled to heighten her pleasure and died, in a car, in a sex game gone wrong. Life sentences for both.

www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/body-in-boot-killers-jailed-for-life-1-163148

(enough googling for now. Can anyone search court records for sex game gone wrong as I wonder if this is really rather a widespread defence)

2010 Liverpool. insisted he accidently killed 5ft 11ins Vicky during a kinky sex game gone wrong when he applied too much pressure to her neck on November 29 and hid her body.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/i-cant-believe-vickys-left-3395727

Convicted of murder, life sentence www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-believe-wife-killer-michael-3396995

2014 Hull: Man cleared of all charges after allegedly hanging his cousin, Dawn Warburton, and violently injuring her during sex game gone wrong.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-cleared-killing-cousin-sex-3811950

2011 Lancashire, cleared of murder but admitted manslaughter after claiming Anna Banks, 23, enjoyed being throttled during intercourse. Got 4 years.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-14457069

I'm late to the thread but how the fuck is "she asked me to do it", a defence.

If someone asked me to strangle them I'd run for the hills not oblige.

Even if these blokes have a fetish for it, they know it's fucking dangerous.

Here are some more cases:

2018 "sick sex game gone wrong" murder conviction. Megan Bills was 17 and her murderer searched for snuff films after her death. He also claimed she asked him to strangle her.
www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/dudley/brierley-hill/2018/01/17/megan-bills-ashley-foster-found-guilty-of-murdering-teenager-in-sick-sex-game/

2017 (in in Spain but British couple). Bloke admits killing wife but first claims it was in sadomasochistic sex game gone wrong

www.ibtimes.co.uk/briton-who-said-he-killed-wife-sex-game-gone-wrong-admits-he-killed-her-after-argument-1640790

Thanks for posting for all these examples of cases. I think it will be really helpful to collate these so that we can send them on with our points for change.

People at those organisations we send to can then work out what’s needed legally, but at least with numerous examples these organisations can’t say that we are exaggerating a problem and they will be able to easily spot the scarcely credible and abusive, misogynistic common features to these cases and to the judgements applied to them, when presented them as a group.