People apparently support trans

acts of violance and other criminal things are few and far between

Morning Star open letter:
"Improving the climate of debate around proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act"

"You may be aware that on April 13 this year, an activist, Tara Wood was convicted of the assault by beating of Maria MacLachlan, a 60-year-old woman who had gathered with others in order to attend a meeting at which they could discuss the potential impact on women and girls of such a change to the law.

On March 8, an incident also occurred on a Bectu picket line in which trans activists, with no connection to the industrial dispute itself, mobbed and verbally attacked a female trade union member on the basis of having recognised her as an attendee at a similar meeting.

And in late April women in Bristol looking to meet and discuss changes to the Gender Recognition Act were met with masked activists blocking entrances to the venue, and deliberately intimidating those wishing to go inside.

More recently, a meeting organised by Woman’s Place UK was targeted with a bomb threat which Hastings Police are investigating as a serious incident.

These cases are part of systematic attempts to shut down meetings organised by women at which they can discuss potential legislative changes and the impact these may have on any sex-based rights already enshrined in law.

They draw the whole of our progressive movement into disrepute.

Some trans rights activists even continue to justify the use of violence, meaning that many women are simply too frightened to attend meetings that are both public and lawful in order that they may discuss their own rights.

Other women, including ordinary women concerned for their rights, as well as those active within the trade union movement and other political campaigns, are also now anxious and fearful that they will be subjected to such attacks when engaging in any political activity, meetings, or protests." (continues)

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/improving-climate-debate-around-proposed-changes-gender-recognition-act

This predates the actions towards WPUK and its speakers such as Kathleen Stock prior to the Brighton meeting:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3292400-WPUK-Brighton-Meeting-Turning-the-Tide

for balance and I don't know if its been highlighted before here is quite a good history of this debate, it is from a gender critical point of view. and does sight the death threats. I think it is a good article at showing none of this is new.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2

guidelines do indeed apply to everyone, and things over the years have happened I'm really glade that acts of violance and other criminal things are few and far between, though I do agree that there a lot of threats out there and they are usually TRA there is never an excuse for this, I'm not here to show that something did or did not happen if someone presents something that did happen I don't spend time saying it didn't or that it was not that bad I except it happened like Hyde Park we need to all condemn these things not because they prove our point but because they are just wrong and no one should try to justify them or down play them.

I'm not surprised at Cassie's deletions. I was going to warn them about their use of the T word, but tbh, I put so much effort into trying to cover all the bases with my replies in this thread, I decided to let them take their chances.

I don't like deletions for using banned terms in FWR, but at least this was even handed.

I notice that Cassie had a couple of comments deleted. Guidelines apply to everyone, yeah? Not just the evil nasty witches.

I think one local anecdote and one US anecdote plus one US court case qualify as very little violence over the years.

There is very little violence against trans people - that's just something thrown about like suicide with no evidence to back it up.

For future reference, Fanjango's trans SIL being attacked is what is known as "evidence" of violence against trans people.

This thread has a surfeit of exciting new gender commentators.

So the perp says it was over the BF but the victim says it was a hate crime because she was a transgender using the lades loo.
In Maryland in 2011.

The victim, Chrissy Lee Polis, was 22 at the time of the attack. Polis, then a resident of Baltimore, said that she was going to use a restroom, when a female individual spat in her face. Then she and another female person started attacking Polis. A McDonald's employee filmed the beating and the attempts of another employee and a customer to intervene in the attack. Other McDonald's employees in the video are heard to be laughing.

The beating lasted for several minutes. Weijia Jiang ofCBS Baltimoresaid, "Then after a powerful blow to the head, the victim appears to have a violent seizure, and as she bleeds from the mouth, spectators warn the attackers to flee before cops arrive. Polis said that she believed she was attacked because she was transgender.

UptonSnodbury

I remember that! They were assaulted in the rest room, they say, after arguing with a woman for coming on to the woman's boyfriend.
Naught to do with trans so much as jealousy.

Maybe it is this:
transcrimeuk.com/

To the people asking about female violence against transwomen....wasn't there a big case a few years back where a trans woman was badly beaten in McDonald's?

Especially when all the evidence points to the fact that male patterns of offending are the same in the trans community.

By "all the evidence" do you mean "that single Swedish study whose author does not think it means what you think it means"?

It's like responding to stats that show that most family annihilation is committed by men with "but Lizzie Borden!"

OH I didn't mean the surgery thing, thats clearly batshit. I meant the rest of it, the stalking, the death threats and such.

The story about Janice Raymond ending government supported surgery for transgenders with one single report has been debunked many times. She even set the record straight a few times before realizing that zombie lies never die because men never stop telling them and believing them.
The men who made these decisions about surgical risks for body dysmorphic disorder have also explained exactly why they decided what they did when they did.
Still, why tell the truth about men when you can blame women for what men do.

Bespin

That Janice Raymond/Sandy Stone stuff sounds terrible in that. I have read a lot of stuff from transavocate though and they have a habit of twisting stuff and in some cases making stuff up entirely, so I will take it with a pinch of salt, and the only other places I can find it is places like 'rationalwiki' which is actually worse that transadvocate most of the time! But if it actually happened like that, thats shocking and obviously very wrong. Its still one person though, from like 1970. Where transactivists are making daily threats, commiting violence regularly and so on. So its quite..wrong to claim both sides are as bad as each other IMO.

TERF operative

Well that's not alarmist or anything...are they like evil vagina-y James Bond?

Datun

I object in principle to the entire ideology

Completely agree.

Ah, but the 'Fem' in that context is short for Femininity, Zutt. Heavily applied. Obviously.

Bespin for someone on holiday you are spending an inordinate amount of time here, telling women off for their words.

Why not take a break? Just let women type what they feel for a change?

"Gynocentric feminism" is exclusionary and "terfy"

Well, anything that centres women is seen as bad in a man's world. Putting two female centred words together is just asking for trouble. Although I'm going out on a limb here and saying that Gynocentric is redundant in this context.