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Any Questions - Germaine Greer

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Househelp123 · 03/08/2018 20:43

Just covering a self-Id question.

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PyeWackets · 04/08/2018 08:52

Place our trust in the experts, I agree with Jess. the experts are women, listen to us.

BirthCanal · 04/08/2018 08:41

Totally lost my faith in Jess. Thought she had a mind of her own

SoaringSwallow · 04/08/2018 07:53

If you want to email, best make it short, to the point and calm. More chance of being read out then.

If you want to make lots of points, best break them up into separate emails.

R0wantrees · 04/08/2018 07:41

current case in Canada (women-only refuge supporting substance misuse issues):
nationalpost.com/news/canada/kristi-hanna-human-rights-complaint-transgender-woman-toronto-shelter

Case in California (women's homeless shelter) going to trial this month:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3266198-No-True-Transwoman-transadvocates-question-whether-TW-is-genuine-after-said-TW-sexually-harasses-women-in-homeless-shelter

R0wantrees · 04/08/2018 07:36

SirVixofVixHal
It was published this week:

This is c&p from Stonewall:
"This research was commissioned to better understand the experiences of professionals in the field and to hear their views and approach on trans inclusion.

Representatives from the three main political parties have written forewords for this research and fully endorse the effort to gain greater evidence.

The Rt Hon Maria Miller MP (Conservative), Chair of the Women and Equalities Select Committee said: ‘In 2016, I was proud to lead the Women and Equalities Select Committee’s inquiry into transgender equality. Alongside fundamental changes within our healthcare, education and criminal justice systems, we concluded that reform of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 is urgently needed.

‘But while there is cross-party support for trans equality, misinformation is holding back progress.

‘That’s why Stonewall and nfpSynergy’s report is so important. It provides a clear, balanced account of the provision of women-only services to trans survivors. It shows us that many services already support trans women on the basis of self-identification; streamlining the legal system of gender recognition will not have an impact on the way they are able to operate.

‘As the public consultation progresses, I hope that reports such as this will be used to inform an evidence-based conversation, where everyone can be heard and treated with dignity and respect.’

Labour MP Jess Phillips said: ‘We need to remember that it is trans people who will benefit from the reform of the Gender Recognition Act. Of course, there needs to be discussion and that needs to be conducted in a way that is considered and civil. The public conversation has been the exact opposite.

‘Stonewall and nfpSynergy’s report shows why it’s so important that we hear from women’s refuges and rape crisis centres, who assess the needs of the vulnerable women in their care day in, day out. In this report, they’ve shared their experiences of supporting trans women. And they talk about the ways in which all survivors need personalised support.

‘I hope that, throughout the consultation process, we continue to listen to each other and place our trust in the experts.’

Baroness Burt of Solihull, Liberal Democrat Spokesperson for Women , said: ‘The Gender Recognition Act is in urgent need of reform. The changes we want to see introduced will simply make it easier for trans people to have their gender legally recognised. But we’ve seen a wave of attacks from a vocal minority in the media and online portraying these proposed changes as a threat. One often cited fear is what will happen to domestic and sexual violence services.

‘This report shines a light on the experiences of professionals whose voices have been largely missing. Opponents of reform portray scenarios that are very different from reality. It is therefore crucial we listen to services providers and hear about what is actually happening. It’s clear that their efforts to progress trans inclusion are an integral part of their work to make their services inclusive for all women.

‘Through working collaboratively, we can end this damaging speculation, and focus on building a society where all marginalised women are treated with dignity and respect.’

Threads discussing the report:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325247-Stonewall-report-into-domestic-and-violent-services

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325388-Stonewalls-Report-on-domestic-and-sexual-violence-services-Interviews-with-professionals-in-the-sector

SoaringSwallow · 04/08/2018 07:24

You can email any answers too. Contact details in image.

Any Questions - Germaine Greer
SirVixofVixHall · 04/08/2018 00:15

Can someone explain what Jess Phillips said about the Stonewall report ( which report ? ) . I had some faith in JP , she seems honest and intelligent, she’s worked with domestic violence victims hasn’t she ? I will feel quite sad if she , of all people, can’t see the problems for women in the transactivist agenda.

SaintEyning · 03/08/2018 23:37

@LangCleg - what a shame. I’ve been away for ten days with no internet access, so will catch up on that now. Was always wondering whether she would “pick a side”. Now we know. Still value her thoughts on other issues, though.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 03/08/2018 23:37

Woah Barry Gardiner's whole response was GG is old, GG is not keeping with the times etc Angry

GG loves toads ❤ now i love her even more.

LangCleg · 03/08/2018 23:19

Jess Philips is someone who would make a great minister as she cares deeply and is well informed at a visceral level on many things.

She just endorsed that Stonewall report, so y'know.

WrongOnTheInternet · 03/08/2018 23:10

That Labour MP seriously got my goat. Calling spades spades rather than rubber chickens and saying that people's internal feelings are not reality are 'trivialising the debate' are they? But that is the whole of the debate. And as for the crap about how wonderful we all are now for being more accepting of others - oh really? How accepted do lesbians feel while trans people openly talk about cotton ceilings with no ramifications? How accepted have women ever felt in a society that only values us for looks and where men are still able to rape pretty much with impunity, and have now found a new level of excuse to do so?

Twit.

SaintEyning · 03/08/2018 22:51

@naiticant I used to brief ministers in four or five connected departments - they know juuuuuust enough about their own briefs to get by - but beyond what they have read and internalised on anything else, forget it. Bear in mind they may have zero real life experience of what they are being asked to cover within their own departmental briefs and are limited by their own intellectual and academic ability to get to grips with complex ideas. They will cover their backsides and that’s it. Jess Philips is someone who would make a great minister as she cares deeply and is well informed at a visceral level on many things. Still won’t be voting Labour at the next election unless they get rid of Milne, McDonnell and their puppet.

Mossandclover · 03/08/2018 22:42

nauticant I listened to a few debates and came to pretty much the same conclusion about cluelessness. MPs often seem to rely heavily on what people/lobbyist tell them.

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/08/2018 22:39

@SwearyG How about you or other ManFridays trying to get on Any Answers tomorrow?

nauticant · 03/08/2018 22:37

It starts well with GG but is over very quickly descending into a mish-mash of "we must be kind", "it's like gay people", and "I don't want to be like that Germaine Greer".

2rebecca · 03/08/2018 22:32

I missed the BBC promoting this or would have listened will catch it tomorrow

nauticant · 03/08/2018 22:23

GG didn't have the space to comment properly on this question and speaking directly got her a mealy-mouthed "bigot" criticism dressed up in more polite language.

The comments by the other panel members, Priti Patel and Barry Gardiner, were interesting, particularly the shallowness of their understanding. The people put forward by their political parties for these panels tend to be "strong" politicians supposedly having a decent grasp of issues. It makes me realise that MPs must be generally clueless about just about any issue they cast their vote on in Parliament. (The panel also had another member, one of the media Matthews, not Taylor but another one, who just waffled.)

powershowerforanhour · 03/08/2018 22:16

I wonder if she's a Goldie Lookin' Chain fan. Wasn't "Your mother's got a....cocker spaniel" in the radio edit of that song?

Cartertheunstoppablesexmachine · 03/08/2018 22:13

Germaine sodding Greer pulls no punches.

What a load of wet lettuces the others were, scared to tackle the issue head on.

Nobody is disputing live and let live, muppets. Until it eradicates the rights of girls and women and puts their safey at risk. That part was conveniently missed out.

I've heard her talk of offending and being offended before. It's a strong closer.

hilbobaggins · 03/08/2018 22:12

Greer was fantastic. Especially the Cocker spaniel line.

After that I got as far as pathetic Barry Gardiner wittering about how “talking about cocker spaniels trivialises this” and switched off.

IAmInsignificunt · 03/08/2018 21:58

“I believe that sex is real”

A pretty good starting point.

scottishbride · 03/08/2018 21:55

Will try to catch at lunchtime tomorrow

IAmInsignificunt · 03/08/2018 21:54

Just popping it on now.

LeiaTheSlaya · 03/08/2018 21:52

The dancing round the subject by others is pathetic.

Interesting that the loudest applause are for Germaine.

UpstartCrow · 03/08/2018 21:42

Sorry, at 36 minutes in.