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Ultimate betrayal by the WEP

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Procrastinator1 · 27/07/2018 12:01

Dr Stock has just tweeted this text of a motion to be put to the party conference in September

d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/womensequality/pages/5826/attachments/original/1532600430/Fnl_Gender_recognition_act_motion_final.pdf?1532600430

Obviously the motion hasn't been passed yet.

Motion text: 1 The Women’s Equality Party recognises the damage done by socially constructed gender 2 stereotypes and supports changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004. The Women’s Equality 3 Party supports changes to the current process by which transgender people are able to receive 4 legal recognition of their changed gender.

5 The Women’s Equality Party supports a process of legal recognition of changed gender which does 6 not require medical reports nor two years’ worth of documentation but a process of self- 7 determination of gender. The Women’s Equality Party supports legal recognition of non-binary 8 people.

9 The Women’s Equality Party calls on the Governments and administrations of the UK to make the 10 following changes to the current process as they revise the Gender Recognition Act 2004:

11 ● Change to the requirement to submit two supporting medical reports, one of a diagnosis of 12 gender dysphoria and one detailing treatment received. Change to the requirement to submit 13 documentation to prove the person has lived as their acquired gender for two years. Instead 14 require a self-determination process to change gender and to obtain a Gender Recognition 15 Certificate and new birth certificate. 16 ● Remove the requirement of spousal consent to obtain legal recognition of changed gender for 17 married people. 18 ● Allow people to change their gender to a third gender option as well as to male and female.

Motion rationale:

19 The Women’s Equality Party should clarify its position as changes to the Gender Recognition Act 20 (GRA) 2004 are being considered by the Governments and administrations of the UK. This change 21 would add depth to the already stated Women’s Equality Party position of supporting the right of an

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BirthCanal · 27/07/2018 19:12

That's fantastic cigars

CigarsofthePharoahs · 27/07/2018 19:04

I'd happily support a GC party.

mooncuplanding · 27/07/2018 19:02

They are proper wankers. I was involved in setting up my local office. They've always been wankers with no values to speak of.

The discussions on their FB page have been quite entertaining though

BirthCanal · 27/07/2018 18:31

Thanks Ancient. Do you think the name is right? I considered genetic party but it sounds to much like eugenics!

I think I can afford my own deposit for one seat, but additional candidates would have to rely on crowd funding etc. I am hoping WPUK will rise to this when the opportunity comes.

Bejazzled · 27/07/2018 18:27

As a party they had a chance to make a difference for women. Unfortunately, they are just a bad joke and basically dead in the water.

AncientLights · 27/07/2018 18:25

I'll join your Biology Party.

BirthCanal · 27/07/2018 18:25

Quite happy to form a coalition with WPUK party if and when

BirthCanal · 27/07/2018 18:24

I am strongly considering launching a Biology Party and standing mp candidates.

Would anyone join such a GC party?

BirthCanal · 27/07/2018 18:22

No women are not the third gender that's gender non binary.

There is no group for biological women which is mutually exclusive from the others.

Bumbungo · 27/07/2018 18:01

And what’s the 3rd gender?

Women are becoming the 3rd gender

theOtherPamAyres · 27/07/2018 17:58

The Conference takes place at the Kettering Conference Centre
from Friday 7th September - Sunday 9th September.

Members can speak against or amend the motion. They will urge conference goers to throw the motion out.

I don't know if there's a public gallery for non-members and the press. Possibly.

Floisme · 27/07/2018 17:42

I wonder if there will be a counter motion? Didn't Karen Ingala Smith say she was joining?

Wanderabout · 27/07/2018 16:54

When is the conference?

BoreOfWhabylon · 27/07/2018 16:54

I disagree, if dh suddenly decided he was a she I should have the right to end the marriage before I am legally a married lesbian.. Good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

theOtherPamAyres · 27/07/2018 16:50

Let's not forget that this is a motion, put up by gender extremists within the party.

It could have no support whatsoever. Or, like the Green Party, when it had one of these 'transwomen are women' motions, there will be a lively and bitter debate with the people who joined the party specifically to push the nonsense through.

JackyHolyoake · 27/07/2018 16:36

Thedutchwife There is the Manchester Feminist Network : twitter.com/mancfemnet

MinesAWhitMagnumPlease · 27/07/2018 15:37

Interesting to look back at this TED talk by Sandi Toksvig
www.ted.com/talks/sandi_toksvig_a_political_party_for_women_s_equality#t-1159929. Inequality in sport was one of the first things she noticed. Further in she talks about needing women at the table.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 27/07/2018 15:23

The only thing I'd agree with is the bit about removal of spousal consent for transitioning. As long as transitioning becomes grounds for immediate divorce.

I disagree, if dh suddenly decided he was a she I should have the right to end the marriage before I am legally a married lesbian.

Lesbians should not be forced to undo "coming out" and dealing with their sexuality for years to suddenly be told they are straight now.

arranfan · 27/07/2018 15:17

WEP goes from strength to strength in the Disappointment Stakes.

Sophie Walker, Sandi Toksvig - what are you thinking?

Maybe they should form an over-arching alliance with the likes of Creasey for Equality Warriors Overtly Unconscious of their Privilege Alliance - EWOUPA

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Procrastinator1 · 27/07/2018 15:05

Does anyone know if any of the proposers and seconders of the WEP motion are the same people who complained against Heather Brunskell Evans?

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vicviking · 27/07/2018 14:57

WEP are like a dog in a manger. Absolutely no intention of helping women gain equality but they mop up the time, money and resources of women who do. And by occupying this space they make it harder for a real WEP to exist.

BlackeyedSusan · 27/07/2018 14:41

WIP where I= inequality

BlytheByName · 27/07/2018 14:22

I had such high hopes for the WEP but they were dashed as soon as they failed to support Heather after the Moral Maze. They showed themselves to be spineless, and this motion is meaningless drivel.

I am politically homeless.

BiologyIsReal · 27/07/2018 14:00

So, not satisfied with trans people being able to define their gender they also support them defining their sex as well. (lines 25/26).

Here lies madness.

Anlaf · 27/07/2018 13:59

Yes Sophie was - there is a transcript on this thread.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3310443-Fawcett-Society-Live-stream-from-5-30pm-Courage-Calls-Ask-her-to-stand

She looked very po-faced while the others on the panel were singing the "yes this would be great" hymn.

But she did not say anything in disagreement.

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