Ultimate betrayal by the WEP

WEP countered with 'if the women have to attend conference to vote, we can see they are actually women.'

Oh, the irony.

When I was a member, I emailed my local WEP group, asking if there could be meetings at other times occasionally as 6pm is when I'm doing kids dinner/ bedtime and as a single parent, that meant I couldn't ever attend. Never got a reply.

Women raised all of these points when WEP was being set up. These policies disproportionately exclude working class women.
WEP countered with 'if the women have to attend conference to vote, we can see they are actually women.'

Try getting hold of these lawyers after October 19, Sophie. I think you'll find they are too busy to return your calls

Yup.

Yep, the timing is everything.

September 2018 - WEP annual conference. A member raises a motion for WEP to pass self-ID as policy. Suddenly two top transgender rights lawyers are available to speak in support of self-ID.

October 2018. GRA government consultation concludes. WEP as an organisation will have submitted their written support for self-ID.

Try getting hold of these lawyers after October 19, Sophie. I think you'll find they are too busy to return your calls.

There is definitely a bit going round twitter attacking anyone who mentions the WEP. I engaged with them for a bit then realised it was a waste of time (because they were lying and smearing HB-E so stopped)

Which tells me they are in the grip of the TRA who clearly see the motion proposed & WEP support for the GRA as a prize worth having. And once their usefulness has passed, WEP will either be run by mostly TW and their woke allies or will fold when the rest of the women there ditch them as they realise the true nature of TWAW bollox.

Womans Equality Party, who dont think women should define themselves, dont know what holds up equality for women, were asleep while austerity rolled equality back for working class women because we are not women like them, they remind me of a cartoon taking the piss out of the middle class image of the sufragettes(which was not valid because they werent all middle class and posh).

There is definitely a bit going round twitter attacking anyone who mentions the WEP. I engaged with them for a bit then realised it was a waste of time (because they were lying and smearing HB-E so stopped)

Maybe Sophie could take anonymous questions from members ahead of the conference.

And then put those questions to the lawyers herself during the Q and A.

It is the sort of thing a leader should do.

And putting some critical thought into why ordinary women are too frightened to ask questions in a women's party is also something that a leader should do.

Well yes, after what they did to Heather Brunskell-Evans and with (from what I hear) no gender critical speaker on the platform, is anyone really going to speak up?

But then I'm also on another thread dreaming up questions to put to Michelle Brewer... so if any members are up for it, there's some great material for you.

How many Women, especially younger ones, (who may be teachers/doctors/social workers/hcp etc. ) are going to stand there in public asking gender critical questions of lawyers, when they know full well they will be doxxed and have their employers contacted demanding they be sacked?

Exactly. Sophie can elide, prevaricate and sigh as much she likes on social media but we can all see this is bullshit.

How many Women, especially younger ones, (who may be teachers/doctors/social workers/hcp etc. ) are going to stand there in public asking gender critical questions of lawyers, when they know full well they will be doxxed and have their employers contacted demanding they be sacked?

And that's the problem with the 'let's be kind' approach. Prominent TRAs are riding roughshod over the WEP and they'll end up discussing trans issues to the exclusion of everything else if this motion goes through. Talking about maternity rights = transphobic. Talking about women's access to healthcare = transphobic. Etc

the WEP is about women, not men.

If they can't see that is, in most people's eyes, a bleedin' obvious statement, then they are already a lost cause.

But I understand this is a teeny party, and it’s possble for a small number of trans ideologists to hold sway over putting out statements such as those above.

That's always going to be a problem with WEP. That's why they need to make a clear statement that the WEP is about women, not men. Otherwise tra are always going to highjack the party and dominate policy.

Cwenthryth, I hope you don't feel got at. I apologise for that.

Fact is you are the only WEP person who has the guts to come on here and discuss. They need a lot more people like you.

However. In my opinion the transgender issue is such a yawning lack of judgement, lack of foresight and lack of basic intelligence on behalf of the leadership that it gives me zero confidence that they could actually deliver on any other issue at all. Sorry. Not what you want to hear.

And you are absolutely right about the other parties chucking women under the bus without even giving it a thought. No argument there.

I’m not sure what you want from me - I didn’t write those statements - I’m an ordinary rank and file member, gender critical, and trying to fight this from the inside, and actually get things done. I’m not about to defend things I obviously disagree with (it being impossible to define your own sex and vehemently objecting to ‘cis’ labelling of women). But I understand this is a teeny party, and it’s possble for a small number of trans ideologists to hold sway over putting out statements such as those above.

NONE of the other political parties are standing up for women - there is still a chance that if enough gender critical members speak up and show up, that WEP just might be able to.

The motion was raised by Amy Killen, a young white woman in Lewisham (I won't say 'from' Lewisham as I suspect her connection goes as far as studying at Goldsmiths), seconded by Chris Paouros, a woman who is in the Stonewall gang. They both identify as LGBTQIAGPEOONDBSDIUBIVUJSDBLIUHpieyf

Cwenthryth,

You said "WEP have not yet formalised a TWAW stance".

How does that stack up with this statement from them?

"WE recognise that the binary words “woman” and “man” do not reflect the gender experience of everyone in our country and support the right of all to define their sex or gender or to reject gendered divisions as they choose."

and

"WE are committed to addressing the very real oppression of trans people as well as the social structures that oppress and sometimes erase cis women and damage all genders. Cis inclusivity must never mean trans exclusivity, nor vice versa".

If that statement was not WEP policy, then why exactly were they saying it?

And how can HBE be disciplined for going off script when WEP are putting out that kind of farcical nonsense above, which apparently isn't even WEP policy?

What have WEP achieved for women

Haven’t caught up with the rest of the thread yet, but one of the more recent things was/is the campaign for home use of abortion pills in England & Wales, which has had a successful outcome in Wales at least and AFAIK ongoing positive discussions in England (already legal in Scotland).

there is surely a question to ask of lawyers involved with TELI why the Equalities Act 2010 has come to be misquoted / misapplied by statuatory organisations

Tara Hewitt has a number of key roles/ influence within the charity and health sectors. remote.com/tarahewitt

2016 Article: 'What it's like to be Transgender and Catholic
Tara Hewitt, NHS equality and diversity advisor, doesn't believe in abortion or IVF but says it doesn't affect her job'

(extract)

People don’t know about trans issues, it’s not that catholics are discriminating against trans people, its just that society is discriminating against transpeople.”

She also claims the bible doesn’t focus on gender.

“With the bible there is more of a discussion on sexuality but God doesn’t have a gender - God isn’t male or female, they are both.

“When we talk about God, he’s above that.”

Tara, who lives in New Brighton, is also a pansexual, which means she is attracted to any gender.

But, although she supports gay marriage and same-sex adoption, she doesn’t believe in IVF.

“None of my views are based on sexual orientation I support love.

“Millions of people share my view but, because they aren’t trans, they aren’t targetted." (continues)

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/what-its-like-transgender-catholic-10810323

Workshop given to HCPs
'Trans people and cancer'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD3RfsVu73Q
Some of Tara's comments have consequences for Womens Oncology services. Discussed on thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257491-Strong-words-from-feminists-unhappy-with-trans-exclusionary-ideology?pg=14

(tweet response pictured to the WPUK meeting in Brighton recently)

see also:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

Yes. That's pretty much what Sophie was saying back in the days of Tara Hudson (and that thread was 2015 not 2014 sorry).

There wasn't anything then about inviting us to help shape policy. There was just disapproval that we didn't think transwomen were women.