Parents who won't 'affirm' 8 yr old gender change being referred to social services

apologies, article above written by Lee Daniel Kravetz

Interesting article about the process of social contagion with regards bulimia nervosa.
'The Strange, Contagious History of Bulimia'
By
Lee Daniel

"The theory of media’s culpability in the spread of social contagions is not a new one. Psychologists studying the developmental psychopathology of eating disorders have led dozens of controlled experiments finding a near-perfect link between mass media and eating disorder symptoms. The question in my mind now isn’t whether media have a part to play in replicating social contagions; if we were able to purge ourselves of certain conduits of influence like media itself, we might have an easier time stopping transmission. Rather, I question just how big a part media actually play in spreading them."
www.thecut.com/article/how-bulimia-became-a-medical-diagnosis.html

Kravetz is the author of 'Strange Contagion: Inside the Surprising Science of Infectious Behaviors and Viral Emotions and What They Tell Us About Ourselves'

hold no its a serious question if someone feels that a safegurding issue is taking place they have a duty to report it even if that turns out not to be the case. yet no one on here is going on to say I reported my concerns to the appropriate people and they are being investigated all they are doing is saying I think this. if I felt for one second someone trans or not was doing some of the things posted on here I would report them to safegurding. so I'm amazed people have not done that.

Evidence, anybody?

The trans situation is unusual in such one sided pressure being put on health professionals to promote a particular view of gender and transsexuality and particular treatments and with objective research being opposed.
I can't think of another field of medicine where the patient group has so much influence.

It's good to hear the views of health care professionals.

Bespin, nice try at derailing the thread.

My daughter went to university 13/15 (yes, that one) and was very friendly with bronies (who are apparently harmless). One day I said something about those identifying as female but retaining tackle and lesbians from a totally practical point of view, not being au fait with any of the ideology, and got shot down. We cannot discuss anything like this any more (this is someone who did biology, although not a biologist so should know something (confused). We do, however, talk about things like domestic abuse, CSE safeguarding etc (which she is very interested in) and one day I am hoping that with life experience added, connections will be made. But this ideology seems to have been firmly entrenched in certain parts of certain institutions well before that, and those people are now out there willing to work in areas putting it about.

Brainwashing at it's finest.
Uni is supposed to be a time of questioning and more questioning - and debating.
and more importantly Free Speech.

Something has gone drastically wrong that even our young people at uni level are blindly accepting something, without examining and debating all the ramifications.

But where is the proof that children aged 8 are being taken into care for this reason?

Give over, bespin.

Are you seriously arguing that it's a good thing that children are taken into care because their parents aren't pursuing one specified medical course of action for their distressed and unhappy children?

Because that's pretty far out.

Damn right, Bespin. Anyone who thinks that manipulating parents and GNC children down the path to confusion and medication and worse is a brave and noble thing really should be reported to someone, shouldn't they?

the amount of allogations that have been trown at trans people on this thread is staggering I hope you reported the people you felt were doing this to children as it would appear serious. if you didn't report them why not I'm concerned if you didn't.

I don't know what the rest of that article means - it's a load of shit.

My thoughts exactly. Why on earth is the Lancet publishing stuff like that?

Having see how hard it is to get any kind of mental health issues addressed by camhs, I'm finding it hard to believe there are people referring 8 year olds without parents consent. I just can't imagine a school referring a child unless they were in extreme and constant distress. I'd like to know who has referred a child against the parents wishes at that age?

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness; however, internal biological conflicts—a yearning to live in the gender role dictated by the brain, not the genital sex, or phenotype—might lead to a mental health diagnosis.

I think that means that GD is a natural thing - like being gay. And that if you're denied the opportunity to wear skirts and lipstick, then you'll become mentally ill. There's no questioning that gender stereotypes are a load of shit that trap everyone.

I don't know what the rest of that article means - it's a load of shit. If this was any other field other than trans* health, there'd be calls to show peer reviewed evidence. But this is all personal experience and shit surveys.

OrchidInTheSun
That link you posted...

Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness; however, internal biological conflicts—a yearning to live in the gender role dictated by the brain, not the genital sex, or phenotype—might lead to a mental health diagnosis.

What does that mean? That gender dysphoria is simply a wish not to have one's life dictated by sex role stereotypes?

Many trans* people have chronic anxiety and depression, suicidal ideation, self-harm, agoraphobia, substance abuse, and feelings of low self-worth, detachment, and body dysmorphia.

To treat these mental health issues with affirmation of an opposite sex 'gender identity', leading to sterility, sexual dysfunction and a lifetime of medication is criminal.

“Trans* people are just ordinary people”, says Terry, but a minority that are marginalised and vulnerable to social exclusion. “We need to celebrate diversity not just tolerate it”.

But they're not doing that by pushing people into gendered boxes. The way to 'celebrate diversity' is to accept people as they are, not tell them they need to change sex.

As well as hormone treatment and surgery, adapting to a gender role that has not been part of your social conditioning, with changes in cognitive and emotional functioning, brings its own set of challenges.

Hormone treatment and surgery - so that people don't have to conform to the gender role which applies to their birth sex - this is just insane.

Once trans became a diversity issue rather than a mental disorder, affirmation became the only acceptable outcome.*

Absolutely this. ^

It was several years ago when I wrote a post on here culminating in something like 'gender dysphoria is a medical issue. It's not something that should suddenly be elevated and given extra civil rights.'

It felt extraordinary to me that something which was a medical condition, was being rolled out as a completely different issue.

Which is why when people like Snappity call it exploring one's identity, I see red.

You don't call schizophrenia exploring one's personality. Ffs.

I am lol at my autocorrect Mermaids are pretty dangerous, but afaik not cannibalistic. Poor old Al.

Link to thread discussing the interview with Dr Lucy Griffen:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228447-Transing-children

2rebecca - I also just wanted to add a word of thanks as your posts have given me a little hope.
It’s worth adding to maniac’s post that there has been huge backlash against the changes to the sex-Ed programme (and that while I am not a huge fan of the new premier, I find it interesting that he has the strength to make this type of change in the face of serious liberal opposition). There are also discussions developing in BC and Alberta with regard to curriculum changes in this area. What is disheartening is that most are still linked to religious conviction. It’s a little uncomfortable.
I’m interested in the research idea of trying to identify links between pro-trans outreach to schools (which is beginning to look a lot like grooming or cult recruitment practice) and referral upticks. Would Mermaids eat al have to disclose outreach details in their annual reports? FOI disclosure? As a charity they have to have certain details available, but I’m a few years out of date on UK charity procedure.

April 2018 Sanchez Manning article in Mail on Sunday:
'NHS sex change drugs are putting hundreds of children at risk each year warns top doctor who says medication could lead them infertile or cause sexual dysfunction'

(extract)
'The health of hundreds of children is being put at risk by sex-change drugs doled out on the NHS, a leading doctor warns today.

Dr Lucy Griffin, a consultant psychiatrist at Bristol Royal Infirmary, says she is ‘extremely worried’ about the long-term effects the medication is having on adolescents.

She is the first NHS doctor to publicly voice fears about the damage being done by the huge increase in young people receiving irreversible medical treatments after declaring themselves transgender.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Griffin reveals that:

Patients are being given drugs to change sex after claiming they are transgender, despite having serious psychiatric conditions;
The NHS is ‘running scared’ of challenging requests for transgender treatments in case it is accused of bigotry.
Medicines being given to teenagers to help them change gender can render them infertile, cause osteoporosis and result in sexual dysfunction, Dr Griffin warns.

Two treatments are causing the most concern. One is ‘puberty blockers’ which are not classified as sex change drugs, but instead halt the onset of adulthood.

Their effects are completely reversible when patients cease taking them.

The other treatment involves the administration of ‘cross sex hormones’, that do start the physical process of changing sex.

Last year this newspaper revealed that 800 children in England who were unhappy being the sex they were born were being given puberty blocking injections.

Some of the children were as young as ten years old.

But Dr Griffin said that such medication was never designed to treat patients who are confused about their gender. (continues)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5642577/NHS-sex-change-drugs-putting-hundreds-children-risk-year.html

There is a continued push to align trans with homosexuality which means that questioning that gender non-conforming behaviour in children is anything other than being trans is the same as subjecting gay children to conversion therapy.

Once trans* became a diversity issue rather than a mental disorder, affirmation became the only acceptable outcome. www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(15)00022-X/fulltext

Dr Michael Laidlaw (endochronologist) evidence given to California senate Foster Care BIll June 2018:

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=0Lu1r1pyGFc

Tweets here: twitter.com/MLaidlawMD

I can't think of another field of medicine where the patient group has so much influence.

Me neither.
Or where medical treatment is pushed despite such a high natural resolution rate.
Or where such powerful and damaging drugs are prescribed with no physical indication and against the contraindications they have.

It’s horrendous.

I know Canada is not the UK, but it’s horrifying to see that SW’s in the UK are starting to push for removing children from their parents for refusing to affirm. It’s bad enough that activist groups are trying to drive wedges between children and their parents through pushing schools to keep things secret, and in some cases grooming children online in this ideaology, but this just makes things so much worse.

It is horrifying and more so when you consider the utter crisis foster care and children's homes are in. To take children from secure homes and place them into children't homes or utilise the ridiculously overstretched fostering system (those under private ownership presumably benefiting financially) for something like this (not affirming and instead talking through ideas of gender etc) is nothing short of abuse of children by the very system purporting to protect them. There is not room for children to be removed for such 'transgressions' - our system is already broken and suffering badly, foster care in Britain (particularly England) is in a complete crisis - so it stands to reason that what we really want to be doing now is removing children from loving and supportive families for not affirming their child's gender confusion. You can still be supportive and loving to your child without accepting everything they think or feel without question.

I find the situation in Canada so frightening @ManiacalMagpie - I am interested in hearing more about it as I think we are in grave danger of following the same path. If you feel you can, would you be interested in starting a thread about it?

2rebecca - I too am relieved to hear a GP being sceptical. My child (born female identifies as male, has ASD) was referred to the adult gender clinic by the psychiatrist who was treating anxiety and depression. I have no problem with that. The waiting list is very long, but I am very anxious that when she gets to the end of it, no one will question her intentions. By that time she gets to the clinic she will have been living in her gender role (as a student, so not exactly real life). In the meantime, no input at all, except for a phone call from a gender support worker telling how to get her passport changed to "male". Oh and the GP practice changing all her medical records to male, without her asking.
Of particular concern, apart from the autism which was undiagnosed until 19, is the fact that she is way behind her peers in emotional maturity, but competent in other ways.

It is a strange world we live in when I live in fear of my child getting medical treatment.

Her non-binary friend, who has BPD and a history of suicide attempts, has just had a double mastectomy (privately), aged 19.