ROGDWEEK2018

current thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317880-Parents-who-wont-affirm-8-yr-old-gender-change-being-referred-to-social-services

Also:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317247-daughter-with-rogd-issues-with-school

I have a 14 yo DD. I have always brought up her up to believe she could do anything and encouraged her interest in sport, music, coding etc.

This time last year, she had long hair which she spent hours on, bought ALL the make up etc etc and mainlined Zoella. Almost over night, puberty hit with a vengeance. She cut off her hair and wrote me a heart-rending letter saying that she was trans and wanted puberty blockers. We had a very long chat about how awful and confusing puberty can be but that it is not possible to change sex. That puberty blockers would be similar to eg chopping off her perfectly healthy functioning leg, because she decided she didn't like it anymore.

I told she could dress how she wants, and be interested in what she wants and that gender is a completely made up thing and expectations around it change over time. Roman men wore skirts, pink was a colour for little boys, wigs and make up were fashionable for both sexes etc etc.

She hates the changes to her body, all hair and hips and boobs and periods and has been sold some "magic bullet" that will make it all stop. This infuriates me. She has understood though that it would bring more problems than it would solve, and this is just a short period of her life. I said if she wanted to get some counselling that was fine. If she was struggling with periods, there are options we could investigate etc. But she is not and cannot become a boy.

For now, she rejects anything of a typical "feminine" nature and that's absolutely fine.

YY, Bewilderness. Just like "violence" may mean actual violence, or it may mean the existence of opinions you disagree with.

It is important to remember that i the current media climate the term attacked means to disagree with a person.
Just another way in which the language has been abused to make communication more difficult.

James Kirkup Spectator article (May 2018):
'Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?'

(extract)
"This is an issue addressed by Dr Polly Carmichael, who runs the GIDS, in a recent talk to the Association for Child and Adolescent Mental Health. In her thoughtful hour-long lecture, she said this:

“The rapid rise in the number of assigned females…. exemplifies the importance of keeping discourse open and allowing different voices to be heard.

“You might say the increase in the numbers of assigned females coming forward is [because] that it’s easier for females to talk about their gender-diverse feelings so what we are seeing is an increase in awareness getting towards a better representation of the true prevalence of this among females.

“A converse explanation, a question: are there issues for young women around how they perceive their gender? There has been a worry by some that people who would previously have had an outcome around sexuality are now having an outcome around gender.”

(In other words, these are girls who do not readily identify with the predominant idea of femininity and are sexually attracted to biological females, and who would, a decade or two ago, have grown up to consider themselves lesbians.) Dr Carmichael’s conclusion:

“The truth is we don’t know, but we need discussion in order to be thinking about what this could mean.”

Just in case that’s not clear, let me sum it up: the country’s leading centre for the care of gender-variant children says its caseload has risen more than twentyfold (35 times for girls) in less than a decade. The head of that centre doesn’t know why that’s happened and says the question needs further discussion." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Where or when has ROGD been used to attack trans people ?

I agree floral

No, ROGD is being used to describe a phenomenon that needs investigation because it appears to be linked to various social contagion sources, and has exploded in frequency very recently.

The only reason someone would see the use of this term as an attack against trans people, is if they were rather hoping that the medics and society could be convinced that young people should be instantly and totally affirmed when they claim to be the opposite sex and the use of the term ROGD and the need for more investigation would stymie that aim.

Which doesn't really convince anyone that the person using 'anti-trans' has very honest motives.

SarahAr wrote - "their children cannot be diagnosed with ROGD as ROGD is not a psychiatric or psychological disorder accepted by the medical profession. If it is accepted and diagnostic criteria are agreed, and individuals are diagnosed with it by qualified professionals - we can say it exists."

How can ROGD become accepted as a medical condition, psychiatric disorder or psychological disorder if research continues to be slowed or stopped by the bullying tactics of some transactivists?

Tavistock and Portman are using the term:

Clinicians are already using the term though? It’s not just an internet slang thing - presumably it won’t be long until it appears in diagnostic manuals.

At least four people have posted on this short thread saying it has happened to their children, and you're saying it's 'made up'.

These posters experience is real. However, their children cannot be diagnosed with ROGD as ROGD is not a psychiatric or psychological disorder accepted by the medical profession. If it is accepted and diagnostic criteria are agreed, and individuals are diagnosed with it by qualified professionals - we can say it exists.

At the moment ROGD is used to attack trans people not for medial diagnosis. That is the issue.

twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1021858520898121728

They can all fuck the fuck off as far as I'm concerned. They couldn't give a flying fuck about damage done to children as long as it validates their feeling that they're female. Latest move in the old old story of white men getting what they want and jumping through mental hurdles to justify it.

Oh, Bespin has started yet another thread with some totally random article that has dubious relevance and validity and expects us all to respond to it.

Still, means that the Tavi must be doing something right if TRA's are so hot under the collar about it.

The arrogance of Tara Hewitt to dismiss clinicians working in the field and publishing their work is breathtaking.

Why is the fact that they have come across (assigned) females whose dysphoria onset rapidly post puberty, and are concerned about it (but note that the patient in question went on to transition anyway) such a problem?

What should they do - ignore the fact that the dysphoria came on rapidly? Pretend that they were born that way, but just didn't have the language to express it?

I don't know if Tara Hewitt is still employed directly by the NHS or doing consultancy work for them.

She has been in the past:

remote.com/tarahewitt

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/what-its-like-transgender-catholic-10810323

delivering training to HCPs 'Trans people and cancer session'

See also Tara Hewitt's response to Jury's Inn Brighton hiring room to WPUK recently.

twitter.com/Tara_Hewitt/status/1021674895896403968?s=20

Janice Turner

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1021010938764431362

I don't understand why children are being encouraged to take drugs and have surgery by the adults in the trans community when so few do so themselves.

Bespin and Thatjourno
I'd be interested in your answers to the questions that Starkstaring asked:
Why would anyone be against finding out what causes people to feel they are another gender?
Where is the harm in using that information so as to be as sure as possible that people are getting the best treatment?
What has anyone to gain by encouraging a human being to surgically and chemically alter their body, especially before maturity, if in fact that is not the best treatment for them and they may regret it?

I am reading the book TRANS: Exploring Gender Identity and Gender Dysphoria: A Guide for Everyone (including professionals)

There are very useful introductory chapters by Dr Az Hakeem

There are also essays by a number of people with different perspectives. One of these is a transman Luka Griffen who set legal precedent in Australia:

In his essay Luka describes the discomfort felt as a young person and then as a teenager during puberty and the associated physical changes

Luka identifies the internet and YouTube specifically as been how he made sense of his feelings. referring to
‘How I knew I was trans’ , ‘Quiz: are you trans?’ and a YouTube video called,‘ How I knew I was transgender (and some advice on coming out)’ by Skylar Kergil which Luka describes as resonating completely with all of his feelings.
Luka describes a moment of epiphany,
"I felt so much relief. Because somebody actually knew how I was feeling, it helped give me a new understanding of myself. Some of the confusion, frustration, and anxiety was easier to deal with, just knowing there were other people in the world who felt like me. It was like a light had been turned on in my mind. I knew I was a transgender man, and I knew that I didn’t want to be called by my birth name."

Having read this, I searched YouTube 'Am I transgender?' many of the top rated videos are by young transmen. I watched a few and was struck by how many said, 'If you're asking the question, you probably are' there are also a great many similarities in these young people's YouTube narratives

source:
www.amazon.co.uk/TRANS-Exploring-Gender-Identity-Dysphoria/dp/1911246496?tag=mumsnetforum-21

Thatjourno
But rapid onset gender dysphoria is not a thing and is just made up. Seems this week is just another excuse to attack trans people.

At least four people have posted on this short thread saying it has happened to their children, and you're saying it's 'made up'.

Listen to what the parents are saying instead of just stating your own biased opinion.

It's well documented that around 80% of children who identify as transgender desist by the time they are adults.

Nobody is attacking trans people, but your disregard for the wellbeing of children is deplorable.