The New Misogyny

Snappity, I googled. Just one article by Vice and 2 from Pink News. So yeah, just in your bubble. MN doesn't seem to have any such reputation anywhere else.

I like Femjackers and S E XX. Agree we need something, transphobe doesn't fit - I neither hate nor fear trans people, so I don't accept the label.

I really like @BarrackerBarmer’s idea of ‘say my name’ or something along those lines.

What troubles me most about some aspects of the current dominant discourse around gender (at least dominant in certain circles) is that it silences women. Women have fought long and hard to reclaim a positive discourse around our bodies and biology, elements of our identities that have historically always been used to suppress us.

So when someone tells me that I should use ‘ birthing person’ or ‘chest feeding’ I feel like we are getting back to a time when speaking about our bodies is in itself considered unethical.

Gender non quim-forming.

And they need reframing too as HE-GIs Hostile Enforcers of Gender Ideology.

SEXX
Safeguarding Every XX

Femjackers

Gynephobia

This isn't the appropriate word to describe TRAs - they aren't afraid of women - they either hate women or despise them - but fear- no

This is where it's important to understand abusive men - they say they feel something but they actually don't - they use the word feel, like transphobia, as a weapon. It's their thinking that's disordered - they think they are entitled to use and abuse women. They aggress against women all of the time, despite what they say. It's all about having power and control over women.

I'll have a think 🤔- Martinet is descriptor of them individually - fempimping - pimping women / femtyranny - persecuting women/

We are anti-penises in girls' changing rooms. We are pro-safeguarding and pro-science.

They are anti-safeguarding and anti-science.

Pro-biology

Real Sexers

safeguarding a very strong word... Safeguarding women and girls?

Protecting women and girls probably better...

Too long - but words like misogynistic aren't understood by lots of people....

Yes I do think sexism is too watered down yet misogony isn't the right phrase either (even though that is exactly what this is).

It is about control.

Sexist/sexism says it mostly, and is a familiar word. Its the problem with it that it has lost impact?

To clarify Kristina refers to the protection of transexuals and others who are not using the trans umbrella for misogony, fetishes, paedophilia, violent activism, to access the vulnerable etc.

Totally agree a word is desperately needed.

The name of that Pride protest didn't help - what does get the l out even mean? I can't work it out. If they had called themselves something that ticked the boxes described in this thread then there is a chance that more people would have got the message. Because the press reporting would have had to include the name iyswim.

I have no ideas on what the name could be but yes yes yes it is desperately needed.

I think safeguarding is also a powerful word.

We are trying to safeguard our future, dcs' futures - and, as transexual Kristina Jayne points out in this video, current sex based rights will safeguard the future of transgender people.

This is an interesting question. To make a name which works is challenging as you need not just to think about it from our perspective, but as with any brand label, from the perspective of your audience. Words like misogyny don’t work - they aren’t clearly understood, aren’t snappy and easy to remember or spell, and just aren’t appealing linguistically or emotionally.

Women’s rights is unfortunately a somewhat perjoratively viewed phrase: linked in the mass population mind with women’s lib, strident feminists etc. So although it’s the essence of what we care about, I don’t think it’s appealing enough. And it leads to what about men’s rights etc etc.

Transphobia works so well as an accusation as it puts two concepts cleanly together and the phobia part carries with it strong emotional imagery from other phobias, so is instantly understood and clearly seen as a bad thing.

So what does work? What is appealing? What explains what we are about? What presents what we are after as a wholly good thing? Or conversely presents the TRA agenda as a wholly bad thing?

Words which we could play with and which have positive emotional resonance might include

Protecting
Preserving
Destroying

Safe
Equal
Fair

Rights
Opportunities
Advantages
Protections

Would love a good brain storm on this as so much the best way to come up with good ideas...

Where I am trying to head is towards a snappy phrase or words which say either

They are trying to destroy the sex-based protections we as a society feel are right for women and girls

Or

We are trying to protect women and girls.

Agree that there needs to be a word as loaded as transphobia.

As part of that we need to highlight:

"I am not a c** woman'

There are currently lots of posts calling women witches too. It is a modern day witch hunt.

Unfortunately that's a word which has a distinct meaning, a medical definition

Gynephobia: An abnormal, irrational and persistent fear of women. Sufferers experience anxiety even though they realize they face no threat.

And I don't think the vogue for redefining clear, useful words is a good idea. Whatever is going on, it's not gynephobia - it may be irrational but it's not abnormal (all too normal, unfortunately) and not driven by fear. Contempt, or mere apathy towards women's rights.

We're women's rights defenders. This is not incompatible with supporting trans rights...up to the point they erode women's rights.

We do need a new term I agree

A previous poster pondered If the same views are expressed in the wider world, do you really think that the assessment is going to be any different?

No, I think gradually it might be different. That's why trans rights activists are doubling down on this site right now.

That's what called a 'growing movement' ,as more and more people see the reality of what's going on and express the same views.

The assessent from some vociferous places, particularly on social media, will still scream 'transphobia'.

But more and more people will gradually understand that fighting for women and girls' existing rights are not 'transphobic

Definition of transphobic =dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people.

I have seen thread after thread where posters are empathetic to those who define themselves as 'trans'. No one emulates the 'terf-die in a fire' 'die cis-scum' behaviours of some trans rights activists.

They calmly discuss how the impact 'trans rights' may have on women and girls' rights, and what can be done to mitigate this.

Some people, some times, may get a bit grumpy. But I've yet to see prejudice and dislike of transpeople. (Unless you count a wariness and a highlighting of the group of transwomen with a sexual fetish who are included happily in the 'trans definition' by so many trans- campaigning groups. And if you can't understand the wariness around this group, particularly from females, your understanding of females is waaay off).

Not transphobic, as always, pro-woman's rights.

I think we need a good strong image of the female form, uterus and all.
And this above
"SAY MY NAME"

This new misogyny is about refusing females our own name and our own recognition.

Let people feel the shock that comes with confronting the physical reality of female existence, then realising we are not allowed even a name.