ROGD

I just want to send you love and support.

Betty that link is great. She has done loads of other ones but I cannot find them at the moment.

Hoggirl765 I don't have advice but can offer solidarity, I'm in a similar position. It's the hardest thing I've ever dealt with. (That's what she said - sorry - I'm infantile)

garam I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. There is 'no such thing' as ROGD because the DSM defines gender incongruence as presenting from a very young age. So that reading would imply that there is, medically speaking, no such condition. So why would you be seeking to transition such children? Are you suggesting these kids have been dysphoric for 10 years before they mention it? Or that it's not the case that many adolescents are identifying as trans now?

Here’s the Atlantic article I mentioned earlier.

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/

Hoggirl765

Other posters have given you the links that I would have given you.

There are also the boards on MN supporting parents of LGBT children.

Stephanie Davis Arai of Transgender Trend has only ever been an advocate for children. She is gentle, softly spoken, kind and patient. You could try dropping her an email, via her website.

garam

I might have misunderstood, but are you saying is no such thing as ROGD?

If so, how would you account for the ten girls who all came out simultaneously at Saint Pauls School?

It's all very worrying that parents coming to mumsnet are met with TRA extremism. Any thoughts Justine?

An interesting article in counterpoint to the two posted by garam

www.thecut.com/2016/07/whats-missing-from-the-conversation-about-transgender-kids.html

ThreeWeeBirds
I think you would be better served reading links that involve trans perspectives and experts rather than a propaganda site like 4thwavenow.

www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/2/20/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-biased-junk-science

thinkprogress.org/transgender-children-desistance-a5caf61fc5c6/

There are some threads on LBGT children and in the teenagers thread too which you might find helpful:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lgbt_children

You are not alone.

I’ve posted on Justine’s current thread requesting that this board have something like the transwidows thread for parents of children who have declared a gender identity.

Policing the language of parents seeking support isn’t helpful and is tantamount to bullying (and ROGD was the title of the thread, not something GC posters had introduced to the discussion).

This is rather famously one of the few places you can question gender theory online, and the fact that the other OP came here to ask about it (as opposed to say, a parents of LGBT children board) should be respected.

Every poster has been respectful towards the needs of the child and no one has suggested not following the child’s lead with regards to presentation/pronouns etc.

It's teenagers hating puberty and exploring their sexuality, which is normal teenage behaviour. Previously they would have been bi, goths, emo, etc etc. It gives me the RAGE that so many now apparently have gender dysphoria, as they really don't in 99% of cases and that trans stuff is everywhere!

What ROGD is is a trend at the moment amongst teenage girls particularly. I would be furious with the school for doing anything without discussing with you first.

@garam Try clicking on the links and reading them yourself. They’re not right wing sites. The links are stories of people’s experiences, including people who have detransitioned. Parents who’d like to support their child to proceed slowly and with caution could be helped by those stories - or not. They’ll easily find other opinions elsewhere on line.

ThreeWeeBirds your anecdotes are not really informative.

What do I think parents should do? I know it's a crazy idea, but actual doctors and experts with experience of trans and GNC kids at the gender clinics and allow them to explore their identity.

Certainly not to someone who posts 4thwavenow as having any merit whatsoever unless you intend to push every child towards conversion therapy in the hope it 'fixes' the kids who are actually trans.

Any reputable therapist would baulk at the Lily Maynard story, whether that kid was trans or not, the mental torture and abuse of that story is stomach churning, and yet it's the basis for 4thwavenow.

So either, in my opinion, your not actually a therapist at all, or a dangerous one.

A concerned parent shouldn't be gaslighted by people telling her to ignore all experts and opinions of those with thousands of qualifications and decades of experience, they should not be encouraged to pay attention to a few half-baked right-wing websites.

@garam I’m not diagnosising. That’s not my role. I’m accompanying young people as they explore their developing identities, including their gender identity. We think about who they are, how they feel about that, and many other areas of their life. And along the way they either feel increasingly certain that they’re trans - or they decide that they aren’t. (Many come to the conclusion that they’re not trans.) And their lives go on from there, whichever path is right for them. What do you think parents should do to support these kids?

Garam, please take this elsewhere, it’s not appropriate for a thread started by a concerned parent.

Please start a new thread and ask Weebirds to answer you there, instead.
If she’d rather not, that’s her prerogative.

Polly didn't say ROGD is a thing at all, she says we must be cautious with kids. I don't think anyone would necessarily disagree with that, but on a case by case basis. A personalised approach would see different paths and different outcomes.

ROGD still isn't a thing recognised by any medical institution nor anyone outside of the influence of a few anti-trans sites.

ThreeWeeBirds can you show me what manual and diagnostic criteria you are applying when you offer therapy?
Can you show me what studies and literature is the basis for your understanding?

And is any of it relevant to the post 2013 diagnostic criteria, or are you using outdated and thus those discredited by modern diagnostic standards.

Rogd is fake and invented by non-supportive parents which is fairly obvious to anyone who has even the slightest ability to think critically.

One of the leading experts disagrees, they are concerned and cautious about the huge increase in referrals from teenage girls.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3196477-Dr-Polly-Carmichael-Gender-Identity-Development-Service-Director

@garam I’m a therapist. I’ve worked with kids who identified as transgender in their teens, but have gone on to decide they’re actually ok with their natal sex (and are glad to be free of the dysphoria). Alongside those kids, I’ve worked with others who have happily medically transitioned as young adults. No one, including the young people themselves, can tell which path is going to be theirs. All of these adolescents are CERTAIN that they’re trans - until some of them (most of them) change their minds.
What do you think parents should do to be supportive?