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"Cotton Ceiling" evidence thread

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Ereshkigal · 01/07/2018 22:02

I don't want to take this over as a straight feminist woman but am troubled at the blithe denial on other threads. This is a thread to post evidence of lesbophobia from transactivists and trans allies. I will start with the fragrant Morgane Oger:

mobile.twitter.com/fedupfemme/status/1013132702147588097

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/08/2020 00:17

Back in the 1970s, people with penises called women who didn't want sex with them "lesbians", because there's no way a heterosexual woman could resist them. Today people with penises tell lesbians who don't want sex with them they're not proper lesbians.

In a world full of change, thank god we can still rely on people with penises to tell us how to be women.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 05/08/2020 13:46

Also bi. And saddened but unsurprised to read a PP's experience with dating.

“But you’re bi” they’d whine “I don’t get the problem”. Apparently being bi meant I owed any random trans person sex, despite not finding them remotely attractive. I dread to think how bad it must have got now.

Of course they 'don't get the problem'. That's because the problem is tet another instance of a woman saying 'no' and a male-bodied person hearing something else.

The label they're looking for is 'pansexual', which means attracted to all gender/genital combinations. (And doubtless even that wouldn't be enough to satisfy the terminally-entitled, as it doesn't necessarily mean attraction to every single human who thinks you have a God-given obligation to provide them with sex).

Anyone else is out of bounds. The word 'no' places them there, with entitlement to their own physical boundaries, for any reason or for no reason at all. Explanations are not a requirement.

It's a sad indictment of the times that this still has to be pointed out in 2020 but unfortunately attitudes have regressed rather than the reverse.

NearlyGranny · 05/08/2020 11:36

Not a lesbian, but have many lesbian friends and acquaintances, some few dearly loved for decades who I would trust with my life and did trust with my tiny children years ago.

To summarise the message here, we're being told: "Let me (a transwoman with intact male genitalia) tell you about yourselves. Your thinking is wrong. Your beliefs are wrong. I understand how and why you are wrong but you don't. I can tell you how to woman better, how to lesbian better. You need to listen only to me and ignore what you mistakenly think you know. You need to act as I tell you to. If you don't you are a fake and a failure and a sad loser missing out on all the fun. You don't know how sad your life has been without me."

In other words, everything every loud-mouthed drunken straight man ever said to any lesbian, any woman, who ever rejected his crude advances. 🤷🏼‍♀️

What is notably absent is any awareness of concepts like consent, bodily autonomy, respect, common humanity, sisterhood.

This is why I can never accept that someone talking like this is a woman. Every syllable reeks of male privilege and entitlement.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2020 10:57

It's horrible, isn't it. She's made about 6 grovelling apologies now, but they're still going.

FloralBunting · 05/08/2020 10:42

Omg that poor terrified woman. It's just fucking anti-lesbian bullying. Monstrous.

There are no AMAB lesbians. There are no male lesbians. THEY DO NOT EXIST AND IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THREATEN A LESBIAN WITH RAPE FOR BEING A LESBIAN YOU MONSTERS.

Soubriquet · 05/08/2020 10:27

I’ve just read the entire thread...and I now have a headache Sad

I’m bisexual with preference to women.

However, I like penis on men and vagina on women not vice versa.

It’s my preference.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2020 09:01

Posting an example of Twitter and Tiktok bullying (often by very young people) of a young lesbian Tiktok creator, who committed the cardinal sin of saying she simply wasn't attracted to male genitalia, no hard feelings, didn't want to hurt anyone etc

twitter.com/YesThatAnna/status/1290275888085360641?s=20

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 14/11/2019 17:18

Whoops! Got my tabs muddled and posted this on the wrong thread. I'm not completely batshit (yet ...)

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 14/11/2019 17:17

Ha ha at 'Albuquerque' - I always thought the lyrics to Prefab Sprout's 'King of Rock n Roll went: 'hot dog, jumping frog, have a cookie!'

That said, those lyrics make so little sense anyway that I don't suppose it makes a difference either way!

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KatvonHostileExtremist · 08/10/2019 17:13

Happy international cock sucking day lesbians!

Surely this stuff just pisses people off? Idiots.

I'm curious about female penises. Is there any scientific research behind their rose scented willies? Or do they just make it all up for the "education" of the hopelessly inadequate?

SunsetBeetch · 08/10/2019 16:54

Lesbians can't have even one day to themselves!

Happy #InternationalLesbianDay! We stand in solidarity with the trans community today and every day. #LwiththeT t.co/VOlRQ5il0N

twitter.com/DundeeLGBTstaff/status/1181511739839565824?s=19

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Ereshkigal · 08/10/2019 12:01

Maybe we need a really specialized version of the Freedom Program.

Yes, I think we do.

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LangCleg · 08/10/2019 08:51

Why did I click on BatShite's link? Be smarter than me, friends.

So did I!

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:26

And all the handmaidens on the other thread all "thank you for telling me all about your penis!"

Maybe we need a really specialized version of the Freedom Program.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:23

Why did I click on BatShite's link? Be smarter than me, friends.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 08/10/2019 08:17

www.facebook.com/378304546272470/posts/565128840923372/

I went there.

Wow. Just wow.

Obviously women who complained got called te*fs, with the lovely gun meme.

Trans women who complained got called truscum etc etc

Hopefully a few hundred more peaked though

KatvonHostileExtremist · 07/10/2019 22:34

Oh and batshite I followed that twitter feed, and I was amazed to find dicks change into clits and smell like vaginas.

So much magic!

KatvonHostileExtremist · 07/10/2019 22:30

I know, let's call women who are repulsed by penis, lesbians!!

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BatShite · 06/10/2019 19:23

Good fucking god..

twitter.com/Theremin_Dee/status/1179428939166617601

On of the replies to Ereshkigals thread there about 'girldick' Hmm

SunsetBeetch · 06/10/2019 12:19

Another twitter thread with lots of screenshots

twitter.com/dykeheatherduke/status/1088124227742507008?s=19

Ereshkigal · 04/10/2019 11:11

Why "girldick" is absolutely nothing, nothing I say, like "cis guydick"

twitter.com/Emmy_Zje/status/1179180296148787200?s=20

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Ereshkigal · 29/09/2019 11:33

There's also this post from r/LGBdroptheT in which a "gay trans man" ohfudgeit (about half way down the replies to the OP) comes to school lesbians about their unacknowledged transphobia. It's worth reading all the responses the poster makes when challenged, these people have such a huge blind spot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheT/comments/d9wit7/acohesiveeanswertooyouareetransphobicforrnot/

I think the post is very revealing of the importance of sophistry, "calling out" and labelling to their essentially homophobic position:

As such, from what you've said, I can see only two reasons that someone might lnot want to date a trans woman (as a lesbian) that are not rooted in transphobia.
1 You only want to date a someone with a fertile womb (this does not mean that you would break up with a long term partner if you found out that they were infertile but it does assume that you would not consider (intentionally) starting a relationship with any infertile person.)
2 You have a preference for vaginas and some aversion to surgical procedures. Personally I do not experience strong genital preferences and so this is hard for me to understand. I can see however that these might be valid concerns for other people.
I think that what often gets missed in this discussion is that yes, it is possible to never want to date a trans person for non transphobic reasons but these reasons are so uncommon that in the vast majority of cases this is not the case.

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NonnyMouse1337 · 27/09/2019 14:11

The whole lesbians-have-to-accept-dick-or-they-are-transphobes narrative was one of many wtf moments that made me start to pay more attention to the whole trans issue.
I can't imagine how horrible it must be to be a young lesbian and be faced with all this homophobic rhetoric.

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