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Does the government consultation re changes to the GRA start this week? Janice Turner thinks so

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R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 08:11

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/this-gender-battle-is-harder-to-solve-than-brexit-0jc0pn867
Janice Turner The Times:

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If Brexit is the most divisive issue in British politics, requiring a talent for squaring ideological circles and cajoling compromises from bitter enemies, reform of the 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA) runs it a close second. The consultation, long-delayed while three successive ministers for women and equalities scratched their heads, is finally launched on Tuesday.

Although even that isn’t official. Bizarrely the government wouldn’t confirm (or deny) the date. But I’ve seen emails: groups will give evidence in late July, a sleepy summer recess slot calculated, perhaps, to contain the GRA firestorm. Some chance.

Opposing forces are drilled for battle. On one side the trans lobby, including Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence, who claim changes to the process by which a trans person acquires a gender recognition certificate (GRC) are merely a tiny administrative tweak. On the other, feminist activists who fear that a legal redefinition of “woman” from biological sex to the nebulous, inner feeling of “gender identity” threatens female safety and privacy....

Most controversially she sought to replace the GRC process whereby a person must live in their new gender for two years and have a diagnosis of “gender dysphoria” (a mental disorder whereby a person feels their identity is opposed to their biological sex). Instead Mrs Miller proposed “self-identify”, ie a man could simply declare himself a woman with no requirement to transition physically.

The report caused a furore. Without hearing evidence from a single women’s group, Mrs Miller also proposed abolishing exemptions to the 2010 Equality Act which allow domestic violence refuges or hostels to admit only biological women. Interviewing Mrs Miller last year, I was flabbergasted by how little she had thought this through. She saw no conflict of rights at all: women, she said, must learn to accept without challenge male-bodied people using their changing rooms."
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Link to previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269463-Government-response-to-the-petition

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R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 08:47

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R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 08:44

Ouchiebum

The lack of impact assessments seems to be a common & serious issue.

cf Scotland
www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

"A series of Freedom of Information (FoI) requests have revealed that councils have widely backed guidelines produced by organisations campaigning for the rights of transgender people but have not considered how the new approach will affect children – particularly girls.

The new guidelines tell teachers that if a transgender pupil wishes to share a changing room with "other young people who share their gender identity," they should be allowed to do so.

"There is no reason for parents or carers of the other pupils to be informed," it adds.

The guidelines say young people should be able to compete in the sports events for the gender they identify with, and says if other pupils are uncomfortable using changing rooms or toilets with transgender pupils, they should use other facilities or wait until the transgender pupil is done.

However none of the councils involved, nor the children’s commissioner, nor Education Scotland have carried out an equality impact assessment to ensure the rights and wellbeing of other pupils are unaffected. This means the impact on other students has not been taken into account." (continues)

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Bespin · 30/06/2018 08:42

pension rules for that gender then apply.

This this is exactly why it was fudged in the first. Place and this as only just been resolved it court the government were. Very much aware of this cost at the time of the gra

Bespin · 30/06/2018 08:39

AngryAttackKittens

Who doesn't like a good gift basket 😉

Ouchiebum · 30/06/2018 08:39

I’d really like to know if the government has considered the costs to them of the proposed changes. I am presuming that when someone has a grc for their chosen gender, pension rules for that gender then apply. Why would every man not obtain a grc declaring them a woman to enable them to claim pension earlier? I appreciate that the rules are changing to make it the same age for both, but there could be a massive financial impact in the interim

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 08:37

The date will be very well known to many, no doubt subject to some negotiations.
Cf recent conference:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents

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AngryAttackKittens · 30/06/2018 08:36

Once this is all over I want to send both Janice Turner and James Kirkup some sort of gift basket in thanks for their persistence in getting this issue in front of the general public while the rest of the media were doing their best to bury it.

Bespin · 30/06/2018 08:34

Right better get our campaigning hats on then. I'm trying to make a point I have just not seen anything about it being next they normally announce. These things in advance bit of a. Scoop there then if its correct

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 08:32

Thanks UpstartCrow

(by way of background)
Janice Turner wirites in both The Times & Sunday Times
Tweets at @VictoriaPeckham
"Janice Turner edited women’s magazines for eight years before she became a columnist on The Guardian. She has been with The Times since 2003 and since then has been shortlisted for the British Press Awards six times, winning interviewer of the year in 2014. As well as writing her column, she is an interviewer and feature writer for The Times."
She was also shortlisted for this years Orwell Prize for Journalism
www.orwellfoundation.com/journalist/janice-turner/

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AngryAttackKittens · 30/06/2018 08:27

I would say it's a fair bet that a well established and respected journalist working for The Times may indeed know things that the general public does not, particularly when those things relate to a story she's been covering.

Bespin · 30/06/2018 08:13

Does she know. Something we all don't know then as it's news to me if it's starting. Or is she just making stuff up

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