Reality check

Yes good point scarlett

Do new posters know that anyone can report?

i certainly didnt know that when i signed up

Pratchet

I think Kate already gave the MNHQ reason for allowing non-members to report. The rationale seems to be that when a post which doesn't comply with the rules comes to their attention, they take it down, and who brought it to their attention isn't relevant.

That makes a kind of sense but I don't think it's the best way to look at this. I see MN more as a club, and think it's for club members to decide whether or not they should flag up something which appears to break the rules. It isn't really the business of non-members.

Either way, it certainly didn't make sense for MNHQ to go on Twitter, as they did a while ago, and in effect invite the whole world to come to MN and report anything they didn't like the look of. That really was madness.

Was, not wasn't

Bespin "All day long but some posters really just seem to want to drive the train off the tracks at any given point. To such an extent that even I wonder if there MRA's pretending to be gender critical"

I've been wondering that too. Agent Provocateurs in the GC ranks. It wouldn't surprise me.

It's also occurred to me that it's possible the actual police may be keeping an active eye on things. If certain GC posters were to inadvertently or otherwise get caught up in criminal proceedings, say at a talk or demo, or an accusation of doxxing, it would be all too easy for someone to assert that there wasn't an element of hostility and prejudice towards transgender people in their actions, evidenced by their posts here, including deleted ones that mnhq would have to disclose, meaning they are opened up to the hate crime flagging process.

Please note... not a threat! Just something I was thinking about over the past few days. Police infiltration is not impossible, and even without that, posts here could be used to build a case for a hate crime element to anything a poster got caught up in.

Another one agreeing here.

Pratchet
Thank you for the info and comments. I agree wholeheartedly.

I also think that if we spend more time talking with each other, we may get further.

I don't know a great deal about Gires.

I noticed this comment on the recent CRUK 'everyone with cevixes' needs to have regular smear tests. I didn't realise though that Gendered Intelligence was Gires.

I am concerned by their apparent involvement (influence?) with regards gyny cancer information and campaigns.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277806-Cancer-Research-anyone-with-a-cervix

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3287119-Had-a-reply-from-CRUK-re-cervix-havers

Well done, Pratchet. It’s utterly shit, but we need to try and ride this out. Yes, create secret groups, yes organise privately. But keep posting here!

Take the long view.

I also agree with pratchet

I agree with pratchet.

There are a few threads up at the moment and over the last weeks with posts which actively target specific members to goad them, using poster-specific themes (infertility for example.) no doubt for the dual purpose of banning specific posters and harvesting screenshots.

There are also several posts and a couple of entire threads that are clearly specifically phrased To get people to say The Things That Cannot Be said.

And MNHQ I cannot say this enough and I’m sure you know it - they are never going to be appeased. Nothing you do will be good enough. They want you shut down. This is, as pratchet says, the ONLY mass media forum that talks about these issues. The only one.

So the question you should be asking isn’t how you can appease them, it’s how you tell them to kindly jog on. Because if you close FWR they will move on to other areas. If you weed out the GC feminists from FWR they still won’t be satisfied. They want your business killed. Because your business is women talking. I hope you’re getting good legal advice.

And the rest of us - is it shit to be policing our language? Yup. It bloody well is. But I will do it, because I value this space.

Also reports from non members? That has to stop. No other forum does that and it’s an invite to mass report.

Not a problem Pratchet as long as you respect my right to post what I think then Im good. Right time for work

Speaking of goading, that thread by Alexa last night, the one that people were responding to seriously? Everyone needs to get better at spotting bridge dwellers that obvious, because harvesting screenshots is absolutely one of the goals.

I agree with some of the points made by Pratchet I am happy to debate topics with you all. All day long but some posters really just seem to want to drive the train off the tracks at any given point. To such an extent that even I wonder if there MRA's pretending to be gender critical or even TRA's I don't beleive in the use of such tactics as that is not how we campaigned for our existing rights but by patently stating our case and demonstration that the points raised however Truely held had no basis or evidence to support them.

I truly do not want anyone to leave but some people seem to think that by being banded on here they are making a point they are not they are just silancing themselves. I have never understood the tactic of getting arrested at a demon to make a point it only really hurts you and shows them in a better light