Group of ‘women’ attack a man

Why couldn't they just say 'people'? It is so offensive to my sex to call them women.

R0wantrees

That was great — although it would have been worth it for me just to see Linda Bellos’ name in huge letters on a shiny white building

Alexa so sorry that happened to you.
Bewilderness thanks for always speaking up for women in your posts on FWR. I have learnt a lot from your posts, over a long time.

Lass, I read your posts. You are a woman with an experience, a partner in a law firm in Scotland, a female that never felt held back.

It makes me think you might be a member of my own clan.

seafret
Happy to help, I remember how long it took for me to get my head around things. I mostly c&p others' brilliant info!

even just filming it potentially puts you in danger.

Especially on a narrow tube platform - there's not really anywhere to go other than onto the tracks

Thank you R0wanTrees was just reading your brilliant info on the other threads.

Much to consider

I always think there is something morally ambiguous in filming something like that but I suppose it may well be a fair option if it's all caught as evidence.

And I suppose even just filming it potentially puts you in danger.

The 'technical guide' seems to say that is ^does" go by sex by default, but then titles the tables gender conflating the two, but then reading down further, its clear that due to "the range of recording practises" throughout the system really no one actually knows what is identity or sex so its all a bloody irresponsible mess

The full extent of the muddling of sex and gender is only just coming to light.
See WPUK's recent comment re the number of LAs whose Equality and Diversity policies were identified as being legally incorrect. Many have acknowledged the mistake and corrected but this seems likely to be the tip of the iceberg with regards statuatory organisations and services.

womansplaceuk.org/grassroots-womens-pressure-forces-local-authorities-to-comply-with-the-law-over-sex-and-gender/

We do something Lass, but when confronted with out of control narcissistic rage, doing something means you are taking your own life into your hands.

We have created a culture where extreme narcissistic expression has to be indulged.

This is not healthy or acceptable.

tripped on their own feet

Or walked into the door frame. You know how clumsy us women can be

It is absolutely sickening. It is also incorrect to say no one did anything - quite a few people did.

To rather stubbornly stick to the drum that I am banging...!!!

The 'technical guide' seems to say that is ^does" go by sex by default, but then titles the tables gender conflating the two, but then reading down further, its clear that due to "the range of recording practises" throughout the system really no one actually knows what is identity or sex so its all a bloody irresponsible mess :(

the technical guide says:

"'Sex' can be considered to refer to whether someone is male or female based on their physiology, with ‘gender’ representing a social construct or sense of self that takes a wider range of forms. Throughout this report we refer to sex rather than gender, because the binary classification better reflects how individuals are generally reported or managed through the CJS. For example, prisons are either male or
female institutions, with prisoners normally placed based on their legally recognised gender. However, given the range of recording practises (see technical guide for details) throughout the CJS, it is likely that most recording includes a mixture of physiological and personal identity. (Similarly, we refer to females / males and women / men interchangeably in this report, as a reflection of the binary classification in use.) my bold
Individuals with an unknown or not stated sex are not included in the analysis, because it is impossible to tell where they should be counted. High levels of missing sex data would be of concern, both in terms of sample sizes and the risk of systematic bias. To allow users to assess the confidence they have in the data we are using, levels of missing or unreported sex data are reported throughout."

Dereliction of duty springs to my mind and not giving enough of a fuck. Its very difficult to unpick it all.

On topic... The attackers were so bloody persistent too. Not even a wild frenzy and over, but consistently coming back to give more. It really looked like they were tyring to finish him off :(

There were people trying to intervene and good on them - they were brave and also foolhardy. There was no shame in not trying to stop it beyond screaming /shouting/phoning.

See also current thread, www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3288963-Terfs-are-the-Incels-of-feminism

OP comment:
medium.com/@kittystryker/terfs-are-the-incels-of-feminism-cee265da53f8

This is an article written about an altercation at the trans inclusive San Francisco Dyke March when a few women who were protesting about transgernderism were threatened and attacked by the crowd.

DARVO in action folks..."

extract from the article cited:
"The TERFs claim they were pushed down — other eyewitnesses say that the TERFs tripped on their own feet in the ensuing altercation after shoving those chanting “hey hey, ho ho, transphobia’s got to go”."

It rather calls to mind a song previously discussed here, in which there was a call for T€R£$ to be curb stomped...

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3223981-Two-men-write-a-song-about-being-violent-to-women-who-wont-do-as-they-are-told

TellsEveryoneRealFacts

They were actually STOMPING on him. I mean, who does that?

It rather calls to mind a song previously discussed here, in which there was a call for T€R£$ to be curb stomped...

Just published:

'Government scraps proposed women's 'community prisons' in new strategy to reduce female offending'
(extracts)
The government has scrapped proposals to create “community prisons” for women as part of a delayed strategy aiming to combat female offending.

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) had pledged to build and open five new facilities by the end of 2020, claiming they would allow women to be detained closer to home and maintain family links, but met widespread opposition.

The new strategy is moving “emphasis from custody to the community” and trying to bring the female prison population down. “We want to ensure that the public and judiciary have confidence in non-custodial sentences – such as effective community orders – which directly tackle the causes of reoffending, including alcohol or drug abuse,” said the MoJ.... (continues)

"The government cited statistics showing almost 60 per cent of female offenders have experienced domestic abuse – an estimated 24 to 31 per cent have dependent children and those in jail or on probation are more than twice as likely to suffer mental health issues as men.

Almost half of all female prisoners in England and Wales say they committed their offence to support the drug use of someone else, the Ministry of Justice said, while many more are substance abusers themselves.... (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-prison-uk-community-sentences-centres-reoffending-rates-children-funding-a8418271.html

Where the fuck is Snappity, surely by now we should have been told we are not recognising the problems by saying this is less than ideal biology?

I would have filmed. Guys that size and that violentveoiod knick m unconscious in ten seconds.

Bespin I'm not the timid sort but I would hesitate to intervene in a fight with such violent assailants that are clearly much stronger and bigger than me.

Recording the fight provides evidence that can be used in a prosecution

People are afraid of gangs and gangsters like these, Bespin. How can you not know that?
Did it never occur to you that they are on their phones calling the police?

I don't love the use of the word 'under-represented' on the downloads page...

"In general, females appear to have been substantially under-represented as offenders throughout the CJS compared with males. This is particularly true in relation to the most serious offence types and sentences, though patterns by sex vary between individual offences.

Females were also typically underrepresented among practitioners in the CJS and among victims of violent crime, although they were more likely than males to have been a victim of intimate violence or child abuse. Trends over time for each sex often mirror overall trends, though this is not always the case."

Note that is doesn't use the same terms to say that women were 'over-represented' amongst victims of imtiamte violence or child abuse. it is an interesting choice of language.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-statistics-2015

Its been interesting to note how often some prominent TRAs refer to the fact that women also commit violent crimes in recent interviews.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3270344-Paris-Lees-interviewed-by-Nick-Robinson-on-Radio-4-now-on