Why are trans things discussed in Feminism section not a separate topic or have I missed something?

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Birth certificates are reissued. The original stays within the registry but is locked. A new certificate is issued. That one is open. Some agencies have the right to view the original.

Then there's the fact that a female birth certificate is created (for trans women) . That has exactly the same force as any other woman has. Totally identical. No woman here has more.

Transgenders have more. They have both the amended and the original available for examination by law enforcement.

Snappity

It's provided for in the EA that there are occasions when even GRC holders can be excluded from women's spaces, and it specifically suggests rape counselling can be biologically female only. Why do you think that might be?

"The original entry in the birth register stays the same, doesn’t it?"

That a surprisingly complex question. At first glance, yes, but "male" is read as "female" so although the physical record doesn't change its legal meaning is switched. S9 of the Gender Recognition Act is possibly the single most amazing clause on the Statute books. It is Parliamentary draughtsmanship at its most brilliant.

Also, if you read through the Parliament site submissions when the GRA was passing, you will get the impression that the General Registry Office never changes records. It has since become apparent that that is not the case.

Transgender males are treated as women for some purposes, they are not recognised as the opposite sex.

No. There is zero in the Gender Recognition Act to support that claim. For example often-quoted the sport exemption does not say that a trans woman is not a woman. What it says is that sports bodies can have rules which limit participation in certain events depending on their medical history - generally testoster use - and that a GRC doesn't exempt a woman from those rule.

No woman here has more

I'll see your piece of paper and raise it an entire reproductive system and some chromosomes.

The original entry in the birth register stays the same, doesn’t it? And the EA2010 still applies!

Twice a week? More like twice a day. And it's always the same people trotting out the same old rubbish, desperately hoping to suck in a few more gullible recruits to the anti-trans cult

Wouldn't it be lovely if you'd actually taken the trouble to understand what I said - that we have the conversation the OP is referring to about having a separate trans topic on a really regular basis - instead of co-opting it to support some really piss-poor whiney bollocks?

The phrase 'for all purposes' means 'to all intents and purposes' which means, basically, as if.

How on earth do you manage to read that into s9?

Then there's the fact that a female birth certificate is created (for trans women) . That has exactly the same force as any other woman has. Totally identical. No woman here has more.

PearlyG8
There are some useful quotes, links and significant women to be aware of on this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3284251-Lisa-Muggeridge-Suspended-by-Twitter-and-Quoting-her-breaches-MN-Guidelines

& this thread is very useful for anyone new to the issues:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

twitter.com/ResistersUK

Snappity Sun 24-Jun-18 09:36:10 If there's no biological elitism then nobody will say that trans women's biology isn't good enough for them to be accepted as women

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Failure to object is assumed to be acquiescence.
Here is an excellent essay on all the ways people say no and the people who pretend they do not understand.
yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/mythcommunication-its-not-that-they-dont-understand-they-just-dont-like-the-answer/

You can absolutely define sex efficiently and biologically without throwing intersex women under the bus. Unless your entire MO is throwing everyone under the bus to suit your agenda.

Exactly!

It's philosophy, innit?

Necessary and sufficient conditions. Just for fun, and I am by noooo means advocating any kind of biological elitism Having a uterus, or ovaries or a vagina or being able to nurse with milk or gestate a baby (or ever having had) = sufficient conditions of being female. Not having a functional penis and producing sperm = necessary condition.

You can absolutely define sex efficiently and biologically without throwing intersex women under the bus. Unless your entire MO is throwing everyone under the bus to suit your agenda.

Condescending ovaries omg

I wonder how many fence-sitters are changing their minds as Snappity demonstrates the absolute refusal to compromise and complete disregard for women's boundaries that characterizes their political position. It's one thing to want to be kind to what you see as a vulnerable group, quite another to realize that your kindness may be taken as a sign to take a mile for every inch given.

But there's a simple solution - I'll just identify as being 5ft10.

I feel like if I'm meant to be elite I should probably be taller...

snappity, define "biology".

I knew I was born to be elite - biologically elite.

Biological elite = womb envy.