Saturday roll call

This is the Feminist and Women's rights section of Mumsnet.
Feminists post here about things that affect women.
MRAs and TRAs also post here from time to time. Why? You would have to ask them. Or ask yourself.

So it's a women's issue if a GC person posts, but trolling if a trans advocate does...

They are women's issues, not issues. Wtf.

They aren't trans issues. They are issues. When people post claims like 'study kids do better after transition' they're asked to take it to LGBT. They never do.

Just how many posts do gender critical folks post on trans issues? It's not transgender activists posting all these.

They have won a lil bit but let's face it, they thought the UK was in the bag three years ago. Whoops!

Still only got one strike.

I find that just not posting at all is a good way to not get a 2nd strike.

I am still angry and disgusted that bullies have been allowed to win.

It seems there's no direct connection between deletions and 'strikes'.

So you can be on two strikes and get another deletion or two but, with no new emails, remain on two strikes, staring into the abyss.

Plus it's far from clear which offences warrant a deletion and which are serious enough to result in a strike.

Bonkers, isn't it.

I've now had three deletions

Only one email though.

JuzzaL Oh dear, why do I get the feeling you being here has just pissed on someones chips

Good to see you back.

Please can you message me too. Thank you.

Please can someone message me details of how to find "the other place" please. Thanks.

Two strikes and 34 days to go.
I am still trying on different ways of saying transitioners, transgenders, though truth be told I would prefer not to talk about them at all and hope at some point the people who constantly start transgender threads and turn every thread into a transgender thread will be banned.

notterfnotcis It does doesn't it?

Hoping it will settle down again and back to a welcoming place for us to explore and discuss women's rights in the widest sense

I'm using and will see how that goes. Empty brackets. Can they be offensive?

Yep, and actually it was a word I'd used before without even really thinking about it but now I'm being compelled to use it and nothing else, I'm never going to use it ever again.

It's how I feel. Because it's taking so much effort to find words that are acceptable to everyone, I end up either deleting posts or reframing them to centre women and girls, which isn't a bad thing.

Still here. No strikes.

Deeply annoyed with myself today for not being brave enough to share that excellent 'fightback' video on FB.

Can I ask for a pm pointing me to the other place,? thank you :-)

Still here. Am dopey - read this post earlier but forgot to comment.

Brain is mush atm. Guess that's what happens with constant gaslighting acting on it - it heats up and goes mushy.

I suspect MN are trying to force us to use a certain word but don't want to state that explicitly.

Yep, and actually it was a word I'd used before without even really thinking about it but now I'm being compelled to use it and nothing else, I'm never going to use it ever again.

Because I don't like being forced to tell lies / do things I think are wrong.

This whole compelled speech thing has made me think a bit more about how certain people are appropriating other peoples' biology & experience. I'm not going to do even seemingly innocent things like use a particular term out of politeness, because it's a slippery slope and all that, and before you know it safeguarding is being thrown out of the window and women and girls are being thrown under the bus.

I realise this post doesn't make a lot of sense but that's what happens with the current talk rules.

We see to be attracting some new posters.

The board seems different now. And not in a good way.

womanformally is that the Change My Mind video from Steven Crowder? He's an interesting character. Not my cup of tea humour-wise, it's all a bit frat boy, but he does do some very thought provoking stuff about identity politics.

Yes FloralBunting - I agree he's another of those Youtube male quick talking wannabes - but he has engaged with the transgender issues in depth and I respect him for that as so many others have ignored the glaring contradictions and implications at play.

Here's one about gender fluidity and bathrooms and those suicide stats
I'm looking for another one where one of his crew gatecrashed a trans meeting identifying as a computer - it was hilarious

Where is JuzzaL? Haven't seen her around. She's terrific.