I just peak-trans'd again!

Reminds me of this quote

"We shall soon be in a world in which a man may be howled down for saying that two and two make four, in which people will persecute the heresy of calling a triangle a three-sided figure, and hang a man for maddening a mob with the news that grass is green"
Gk Chesterton

I too wonder how many transitioners do so because it's more palatable than being gay for themselves and/or their families?

I wondered the same about the enthusiasm for transing kids younger and younger in more conservative parts of the US. I would imagine it is easier being a passing trans person than an out gay or lesbian in many communities, especially if a lot of the social life of your town is geared around your church.

@MrWriter ^I wonder if its a homophobic thing for some of these people.
Its not Ok to be a gay man, but it is ok to be "trapped in the wrong body" and live life as a woman in a fairly normal hetro relationship?^

I too wonder how many transitioners do so because it's more palatable than being gay for themselves and/or their families?

We know already that the Iranian approach to homosexuality is basically "transition or execution".

SMG: Yes once they've got the male heterosexual bit of their lives out of their systems.

What?????

SMG means those whose AGP takes over their lives.

I just listened to no country for young women on podcast, they were interviewing Munroe, I found it quite interesting that his dad was horrified when he came out as gay, yet was ok when he said he was transitioning. I wonder if its a homophobic thing for some of these people.
Its not Ok to be a gay man, but it is ok to be "trapped in the wrong body" and live life as a woman in a fairly normal hetro relationship?

Sorry to go off on a tangent but something I've been musing after listening.

Yes, Bronwen, there are so many of these totally mainstream het men, married with children, who suddenly decide they've always been women - and that women must accommodate them.

It's male privilege in action, a midlife crisis. Some men abandon their families, get a very young gf and a sports car. Some men transition.

Thanks prawn I am just that someone thinks heterosexuality is something one has to get out of their system and implies to me that males must be allowed to do all their male stuff and then seamlessly move into the female sphere because they say so.

Bronwen, I think SMG may be referring, obliquely, to the heterosexual TIMs who, once they have decided to identify as women, move on to identifying as lesbians. It's grotesque.

On Reddit lesbians keep on having to create new groups. The original one became overrun by aggressive TRAs. True to female socialization, the lesbians just created new groups. I think they were on their 4th new group last time I checked. Every new one got invaded by TRAs. Plus they get insulted by "progressives" for not accepting men as sexual partners.

Same old same old.

I know the thread has moved on but I don't know what to make of this comment by SupermatchGame :

pp: of course some will develop gender dysphoria and transition as they grow older.

SMG: Yes once they've got the male heterosexual bit of their lives out of their systems.

What?????

Yes, I think so bd. As far as I could see there were two types of "no" campaigners; the older, religious type who I have some respect for, as most of them have their entire lives seen abortion as murder and are genuinely upset by it all. I may think their opinions are wrong, but I respect their rights to hold those opinions and they were mostly respectful and polite.

The other type who were in-your-face aggressively trying to force people's thinking. Scarily most of the latter were young as well as not Irish (seemingly from the US), I felt that they weren't really talking about abortion per se , but had been brainwashed into some sort of religious (but not like any Christianity I've seen here before) cult where it was their way or the highway on everything.

Funnily enough, like the fundamentalists and the creationists, the trans-rights activists are also trying to force us to believe their version of reality. It's weird. I'm sure most TRAs would be horrified at being put in the same category as right wing fundamental Christians

@Maryz, I got the feeling that the US anti-choicers were treating Ireland as a repro rights proxy war.

indeed Maryz

Good to see you too. I've discovered that I'm too old (and cynical) for most of MN these days so just wander in and out).

Yes that result was great; now for the hard work of legislating and coping with the (mainly American) protesters who are still wandering around with their disgusting posters

PS - good to 'see' you again. I thought of you when the Repeal the 8th result came in

Oh, they were a real education, Maryz - they ran into about 4 threads in the end. Do read them all if you can. Best Value/Randy Ruggles had his own Youtubes and all sorts, really wanted to be a big hitter in the Creationist world.

The tactics were very very similar to those displayed by MRAs/TRAs etc, but he was shot down again and again by the fabulous women of MN.

Re the peer review thing - I guess it depends on who you consider to be your peers.

Bloody hell, Bore, I've just fallen head first into that thread.

I now believe that the earth is 6,000 years old. Or not. I'm not sure

I've come to one firm conclusion, though - "peer reviewed" no longer means "factually correct" as it used to. How did that happen? It used to be the case that if one narrowed down research to articles that were peer-reviewed one could be relatively sure that there was some sort of standard being adhered to, but not any more, it seems.

Migraines are one of the medical conditions that is more common in females because of our female biology and can also be triggered by menstrual cycles, contraceptives, menopause, and pregnancy, all aspects of our reproductive biology. Whilst TIMs do get migraines from cross-sex hormones, they won't get migraines triggered by hormone fluctuations, and they could stop taking the hormones at any time. By contrast, females requesting oopherectomies for migraine get refused and histrelin implants to induce the effects of an oopherectomy without surgery, which reduce menstrual migraine in females when combined with estradiol patches, are not licensed for migraine treatment in the UK, only for prostate cancer palliative care. Migraine with aura more than doubles a person's risk of stroke, and as a consequence of this, the NHS won't give oestrogen-based contraceptives to women who get migraine with aura because oestrogen also increases stroke risk. The combined pill quadruples stroke risk. (Pro tip: get an IUD or IUS or get him snipped.)

@boatyardblues, whose post reminded me of how migraine is mainly a female health issue, you have my sympathies.

The Young Earth Creationist threads of a few years ago were fabulous.

It all started when a YEC Canadian man called Best Value turned up on this one

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/1719381-Young-Earth-Creationists

Flat earthers...they have arguments to support their ideology too but people just laugh at them.

Well, my dining table stands perfectly evenly on my dining room floor. Therefore, the Earth is flat!

Flat earthers...they have arguments to support their ideology too but people just laugh at them.

Have you seen the youtube videos about creationism that hinge on how a banana fits perfectly in your hand?

There are some actual creative geniuses - if only they could use their skills for good!

Alternative facts! At least the creation museum is fun in a messed up sort of way, unlike TRA Twitter which is about as much fun as a trip to the dentist.

I've just wandered open-mouthed into that museum Kittens. I particularly like their description: "Creationists love science! In fact, the word science means “knowledge.” ... You’ll learn about the different types of science and discover facts and logical arguments you might have never considered." - it's very like the trans argument, which currently appears to be "here are some alternative facts, backed up by some dodgy science, we will YELL LOUDLY until you give up and pretend to believe us".

The museum, and the facts behind it, are quite amusing. Until suddenly you realise that people actually believe this shit, and what's more they are teaching it as truth to children in schools in the US and suddenly it's not so funny after all. Another parallel with trans beliefs.

Thanks for the saddled dinosaur pics AAK - very cheering on this fine morning.

Or for the metalheads.

i.imgur.com/kqxK0.jpg