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Feminism contradicts an equalist society: discuss

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 12:34

I’ve been watching a lot of threads lately and I have come to the conclusion that; feminism in its earliest form was a beacon of light in an unjust era. Fighting against clear inequality between genders. My question is, as the gaps reduce into non existence should we begin to describe ourselves as equalist as opposed to feminists.

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

Thoughts?

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DJLippy · 30/05/2018 13:02

What about sexual abuse? Still a massive problem in schools which shows that this issue is not really going away.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/dec/12/are-we-ignoring-an-epidemic-of-sexual-violence-in-schools

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/may/29/lewd-comments-upskirting-women-teachers-sexual-harassment

Meanwhile government reports suggest 86% of austerity cuts have fallen on women. Great thread here about Universal Credit and Domestic abuse.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3244817-Universal-credit-domestic-abuse

jellyfrizz · 30/05/2018 13:01

Just that the main pro of feminism is allegedly equality for all.

Nope.

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 12:59

Seahorsesarehorses. I’m not trying to understate what still has to be done. Just that the main pro of feminism is allegedly equality for all. It’s biggest con is the miss use of all. I know of many men in similar situations as you stated. I know of a man that did not get a job because he was a man and the board needed a women to be equal. This was despite the interveiwer actually stating that the man was probably the more appropriate applicant. Not worlds away either. This was in the NHS. I believe most of your points have also passed the tipping point that although there is still a lot to do, the momentum behind the movement is such that equal rights is inevitable. This applies to positions of power, sport and mental health. I’m not going to argue against sex as that is still a huge problem

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 12:52

Theybuilttgepyramids- I come from a domestic abuse childhood. I understand why people can be upset about it. However, it has nothing to do with my OP. My post is simply trying to push forward and innovate feminism into a fresh beacon. Feminism has become stale, by pushing forward with equalism we may just improve things for all...instead of one group.

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SeahorsesAREhorses · 30/05/2018 12:49

This is a conversation we could have after women are liberated maybe?

When medicine is made with the female body in mind and females are treated as well as men in hospitals. When we are paid as well and work that is occupied by women isn't devalued. When women being mistreated isn't used for men and boys to wank to. When women aren't sold for sex. When girls mental health issues are addressed and taken seriously. When women's sports are taken seriously. When females are represented equally in all positions of power. When films and tv and art are as representative of women as they are of men. When 2 women are not murdered by males in the uk each week.

So much more to do too but after that's all sorted we could have a chat.

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Equalist1 · 30/05/2018 12:47

I don’t disagree with the realities of this point, just that the burden of care between couples is simply that “between couples”. I do disagree with confusing expectation vs reality. “Expectations” are essentially algorithms that give generalisations. By being picky about small details such as the burden of care we completely miss that this is a negotiation between individuals in individual circumstances. We can’t assume that men don’t live up to the burden of care when called upon to do so.

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TheyBuiltThePyramids · 30/05/2018 12:46

Are 2 men a week killed by their female partners?

jellyfrizz · 30/05/2018 12:41

I think this is a really important point to discuss as evidence suggest that the youths of the day I.e 0-30 years olds there are virtually zero inequalities between men and women, and, the variables that are unequal are because one side chooses to be different.

Virtually zero inequalities?? Bollocks! Do 54,000 men a year lose their jobs because of becoming a parent?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/work/maternity-discrimination-is-pushing-women-out-of-work---and-its/

BetterEatCheese · 30/05/2018 12:38

It's more than explicit stats and quotas - what about the role of care and how women are now expected to be equal wage earners yet the burden of care still falls to them? Hardly equal.

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