Genderquake

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It means that they support the postmodernist feminist view of Judith Butler in that they believe identity and expression is more important than biology and class.

@Ekphrasis hi, on the quoted graph, it says 'Butlerite', I've tried Googling. Any idea what that means? Thanks.

Its all very interesting. Thank you

Not a woman. Klinefelters is a male condition.

@ceecee32 she was a boy who changed when she hit puberty and grew breasts and physically became a woman. She is a woman as she has more female chromosomes but she has a penis. She joked that she is trans as her body transitioned naturally. To be fair she is entitled to call herself whatever she chooses as she is pretty unique. She is very beautiful and totally together

Trans is cooler than intersex. Nobody gives a shit about people with intersex conditions unless they can be shoehorned in to somehow validate trans.

The Polish woman who did the timings on the debate sounds amazing!

Fight the system. Free females. - I want T shirts, mugs and stickers

Just watched this - can someone try to explain to me please about Brooke, the girl who said she was xxy and who had transitioned naturally.
I dont get why she described herself as a transwoman - why would she not be intersex - or am I really stupid

Today's article in The Guardian by Gaby Hinscliff is definitely worth a read, www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/10/the-gender-recognition-act-is-controversial-can-a-path-to-common-ground-be-found

It discusses Genderquake in the wider context with a great deal of balance. Includes discussion about WPUK.

I hope it will be shared widely.

current thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3244904-Finally-a-balanced-overview-article-in-the-Guardian

When is the next Genderquake show on? Is it the "What Makes A Woman" with Munroe next?

The data was created by the person Ekphrasis has linked to, Gabriella@gabcsika_me. Gabriella has also uploaded the file to filecloud.io/hqozd0mep. There is dialogue on their twitter feed about how, when and why etc.
Gabriella has commented, "I'm not saying there was no mistakes in it, I had to keep pausing and writing down the pause times, rewinding, and I'm really only taking into consideration obvious interruptions rather than dialogue. But I reckon it's a good attempt and fairly accurate."

(from pinned tweet,
"I live in Poland. I have gender disphoria.
In Poland abortion is illegal, there is no epidural on demand and cesarean section is "emergency only".
No matter how much I were to identify as a man, the facts and how society sees me won't change.
Fight the system. Free females.")

Thanks . Do you know anything about the source of those numbers. How reliable are they?

twitter.com/gabcsika_me/status/994220006325080066?s=21

The number cruncher.

(No credit, from twitter!)

Thanks R0wan will post again here:

Owl loves a bit of no platforming.

It doesn't sound like it took a 'Question Time' sort of format?

I haven't seen this debate, but I have to say I'm finding it fascinating how polarising it is. If you read Twitter and then read here, the interpretation of how it went from the two opposing sides reads like they both attended different debates. For me, it seems to sum up how polarising the entire issue is.

I am totally gender critical, a TERF if you will. I am concerned about how we will ever get past this whole thing, if any discussion that doesn't centre around 'trans women are women' is seen as 'transphobic'.

Posie Parker said on twitter that Cathy Newman told the audience to engage and that the heckling was asked for. (Although maybe the interpretation of engage was different to that Newman expected). She also says she was told she would be asked a question, which she wasn't.

Not looking forward to seeing C4's spin on that in "What Makes a Woman" documentary

The women's place and we need to talk meetings are not debate, they are consciousness raising. However both have invited people with opposing/different views to come along, listen and raise their issues. Trans activists haven't had the guts or the arguments to turn up to the meetings themselves for the most part, only stand outside in masks or try and punch women into silence. Bergdorf turned up in Bristol but the accounts I read suggested they were only playing up to the camera they brought along and huffed out when they didn't get the limelight they perpetually seek.

There is a very detailed breakdown of time speaking / number of interruptions etc for each of the individuals in the debate posted by @Ekphrasis 15:33
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3243464-Channel-4s-Genderquake-Debate-is-heavily-criticised-boycotted-by-prominent-transgender-activists-allies?pg=22

Oopster - Jenner had by far the most talking time and Greer was interrupted by tthr host almost as much as everyone else put together. 4 trans ppl on panel and off the 3 non trans one was TRA. Sarka and Bergdorf spent almost ten times as much time interrupting as everyone else combined. And you’re saying it wasn’t biased. Your intellectual dishonesty is saddening.

YY Hypolytta.

Im always baffled by this " my identity isnt up for debate" argument.

If you want an identity that isnt up for debate, choose one that fits you.

Women are female, and actually, our fucking identity isnt up for debate.