I am about to self-ID as a man - the update!

Having a GRC gives the person automatic transfer to the prison of their preferred gender.

I have no idea how this would work for a transman. Automatic transfer to a male prison?

Would they get a choice? If so, why?

If transmen are men and transwomen are women.

Am I the only one who thinks this is actually a BAD outcome?

Well done to you - that's a real achievement. Thank you!

exwife I’m sure if you try hard enough you can see that a “win” or “loss” affecting women’s right regarding single sex spaces will also impact on the rights of women in prison to single sex spaces.

Prison already do it on a case by case basis I think.

Can you include a link to the petition in your response?

but, who is protesting for the protection one of the most mentioned but not actually discussed demographic: women in prison? who already campaigns for them? who already cares enough to be involved, and will now also be a voice for the women who you believe will be threatened by Self ID?

Sounds like this is quite an important issue for you @exWifebeginsat40. What are you doing about it? What ideas do you have?

You could also ask them to send you copies of how they conducted the impact assessment and the findings from them once they are completed.

This sounds really positive.
Perhaps you could write back with some language that might guide them in the right direction
e.g. I am really pleased to hear that you will be conducting proper impact assessments prior to developing your policies and that you will take into account both the protected characteristics of gender reassignment and sex.
I am pleased that you appreciate that not just the safety but also the dignity and privacy of everyone is important and plans need to be put in to place to afford everybody with these rights.

With Beetle I'm afraid...

My previous comment was overly dismissive. I actually think this is a fantastic protest and very brave. Well done OP!

Yes, you did good

Ex-wife, this is a small part of the whole self Id business.
Women's estate have been at or close to the top of each discussion on here.
I personally don't know any women or men in prison and its huge ask to find a way of doing this but in a prison. Don't suppose any of us want to commit a crime just to see if we can subvert the ststem, plus as mumsnet is a whole lot of women and few men, it would mean id ing as a man so as to go in the male estate. Pretty dangerous

Thank you for this update. Interesting response and I like your reply to it.

Good luck!

Excellent, well done

Maybe you just need to start screaming homophobia, who up a twitter storm, threaten the staff and just be a loud, scary pain in the backside to get your own way? It seems to work.

when does the campaign for women prisoners start then? all this changing room stuff must be exciting, i get that.

but, who is protesting for the protection one of the most mentioned but not actually discussed demographic: women in prison? who already campaigns for them? who already cares enough to be involved, and will now also be a voice for the women who you believe will be threatened by Self ID?

it’s all hypothetical cocks in leisure centres and angry ballbags in the bogs. what larks.

OP, I'm not sure I'd be sending them an email of thanks before getting someone to check how they'd respond to a bloke IDing as a woman making a parallel request.

I want to know what the verdict would have been if it was a man that id's as a woman wanting to use the women only sessions.

In my area those sessions are only really used by muslims so I'd like to see what their reaction would be too.

You and @Sweary are doing incredible stuff. I want to get onvolved, too. Where can I start?

A case by case basis is okay though. In as much as that's what the equality act is for. You can't just say no.

You have to balance the needs of everyone with a protected characteristic and make sure exclusion is a fair outcome.

Up until now people have assumed that the protected characteristic of gender reassignment somehow trumps that of sex. It doesn't.

It's the wording 'a proportionate means to legitimate aim'. Whilst women are being forced to shut up, there is no 'legitimate aim', because no women are complaining.

Whereas if enough women say yes, actually this is making me feel intimidated and uncomfortable, then the 'aim' will be to stop that.

Exclusion can be justified.

Great response, you pre-empted the situation, definitely a TIM would be allowed - but now you've set the precedent, they can't! Well done.

It was written quite some time ago. I am a swim team manager, and I was WTF about it!

Well done, OP. I am in awe of the efforts you and sweary have been making on this issue.
Like some others, I am a bit concerned at what 'case by case' basis might lead to. Might they be thinking that if someone has fully transitioned (ie old money transsexual) or at least made significant efforts to pass, they might be allowed into the session of their 'chosen gender'? But of course, that might create a lot of embarrassment all round.

So it's justwomen who need re-education? Interesting.

Can we ask a stunt male to try the opposite and see what happens? Anyone married to/friend of Giant Haystacks?