Lord Patel/Karen Jones thread - anyone want to go to House of Lords to talk to Lord Patel

This might be useful

British psychology society talking specifically about risks to women posed by transition

www1.bps.org.uk/sites/default/files/BPS-response-HoCWE-Transgender-Equality-Approved.pdf

twofalls, just wanted to pop on and say you are amazing. Please keep us updated

I think the meeting referred to attended by Miranda Yardley is the Transgender law concerns meeting of 31/10/17. I have a copy of the minutes as pdf (I wrote to my MP and these were part of the response.) or they are available here

Well done!

Take All The data with you - make sure all facts and figures can be backed up.

And good luck!!

Any updates?

twofalls

Have you seen this? It was the report that Nic Williams did for Fairplay for Women.

All about the prison situation.

fairplayforwomen.com/?s=Prisons+

Brilliant letter!

OP - great email

I agree that it would be foolish to seek a photo op from this meeting.

Lord Patel's interests in prisons and mental health would, I think, make him easier to bring to peak trans TBH. He is probably more au fait with the intricacies of the current prison estate and how vulnerable prisoners are managed within that than the average peer.

I've also PMed you and Datun

If his remit is prisons then maybe take some of the data on the number of TIMs in prison with convictions for sexual offences vs the number of women with those kind of offences.
I'd also ask him about why this kind of information isn't being officially collected before considering any change in policy.

Awesome twofall, well done. He might be hard to peak but at least this is an opportunity for debate with someone with clout.

I nominate Datun and YesItsADebate

Yeah *@SmurfOrTerf * it's a huge concern. What exactly are going to be the ramifications, you can't just pick and mix science. Especially science that has already been proven and set in stone.

I just wondered if, as a man and a political one, it might be a point that would hit him harder. He may not care about women or even children. But those in government always care about their country's placement against the rest of the world.

So maybe if he thought that this ideology will be dumbing down the UK, in terms of science in the eyes of the world, he might have more of a think about all this.

Jog22

Yes, I'm not holding out much hope.

I wonder if inviting twofalls is just a box ticking exercise.

On the other hand, anyone who is politically savvy cannot afford to piss off quite so many women as they are.

I think it might be a struggle peaking Lord Patel. He is Chairperson of this organisation;
www.ciellp.net/
which produced the Inside Gender Identity Report which they took to present to the House of Lords along with Karen Jones. It's very much positive about housing trans women in the female estate.

One of the other Director's is Dr Jon Bashford who's Twitter page shows him following the likes of Action for Trans Health, Gires, Gendered Intelligence, Paris Lees, Mermaids, Tara Hewitt etc.

The link above in UpstartCrow's post refers to requests which have been made in the last few days asking various politicians to look into DrRadfem's meeting in HoC this week (cancelled Millwall event). Appeals have been made to cancel it and this is MCashman's reply.

Yes, I'm not interested in a photo op. It won't gain us a single thing. Except notoriety and threats.

I'm interested in making Lord Patel understand what is at stake here.

I'd like to know how a man who has killed another man and attempted to murder a woman, on the basis of the fact that he hates women, is considered a reputable, or even plausible voice on the issue of how to treat men who identify as women.

I don't understand how the words vested interest, skin in the game, hopelessly biased opinion and hatred of women, doesn't automatically exclude him as someone who should be listened to in terms of the conflict of rights.

This is brilliant, bloody well done, twofalls. And Datun, it's great of you can go!

I'd suggest against inviting press, photos etc at this stage. I think it's more productive to invite the kind of climate where any politician can invite discussion from women (and where women will feel safer about initiating this discussion) without being splashed all over twitter the next day. We want to create the conditions where people can change their minds. That might mean we don't get the "Lords' Terrace" selfie that the murderer/rapist got, but that doesn't matter much, at this stage, I'd suggest.

Threats are being made against the people attending, this is a breach of Data Protection (and possibly threatening behaviour) so feel free to report to ICO;

twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/973300985450901508

If you need a photographer I'll do it!!

Photographs could be pretty outing, surely? Which is perhaps not what you want given current TRA silencing tactics.

Yes, I'm a bit concerned about Lord Patel. He is in the very position to understand why women are worried. And he doesn't appear to be.

On the other hand, he has invited twofalls. Which he didn't need to do.