My elderly parents peak transed today

What the flibberty gibberts in CIS?

Here you go.

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3168124-cis-is-an-abusive-term

A trans woman is not a woman and should never be considered the same, but she is also not a man and should not be considered the same

No, he is a man.

He might have be gay (homosexual)
He might be an Autogynephile (sexual fetish for dressing as a woman)

Society often does see them as failed men. And if they're not perceived as men,well they must be women.Because only women like pink and dresses and lippy. Aparently.

@wakemeupbefore

In answer to your question, yes, transmen are women. And their voices are very quiet, funny that.

Would Scott Wilson have been raped by this offender, with a history of raping women, if they were not biologically a woman? reported here

Most women on these threads understand the oppression of women is based on our biology.

Fuck off with attempts to divide us.

What's GRA?

#naive

So there's no such thing as a trans (wo)man, just a (wo)man who identifies as a (wo)man.

Yes?

Ish??

What the flibberty gibberts in CIS?

I was completely oblivious to all of the issues and ramifications involved in the trans debate, until I stumbled upon a thread a couple of months ago.

My views changed from being understanding of the expectations and wished of transwomen / generally uninterested overall, to reaching peak trans almost immediately I had read up on some of the mountains of information available on the internet.
One of the things that I totally reject and object to is that the opposing argument seems to repeat this utter crap that anyone who thinks that transwomen should not have access to women's spaces or take over places on women's sports teams, are transphobic and full of hatred. Wtf??

I really, really don't hate trans-anyone. I would happily stand up and fight (verbally and politically rather than physically!) to ensure that transwomen are safe and live free from hatred, abuse etc, but I do not want a transwoman doing my smear test, using my office loos, playing against me on a women's footie team or leaving me standing / shuffling while competing against me in the 200m sprint, then followed by using shared changing facilities and showers. If I am a vulnerable woman in prison or a refuge, I don't want a transwoman alongside me. I don't want to be told that I have to accept this. And this is all without even going anywhere near the completely different level of some men just latching onto the unbelievably easy way of accessing spaces which previously they could only fantasise about.
When I first read up on it I was absolutely horrified, but surprised that I had been so oblivious to what was happening. I'm now really absorbed by all of this information and have explained to quite a few people, the issues involved and the potential consequences of the GRA.

Thanks for the inspiration MNers, I have started to share the information although I now spend waaay too much time reading everything that I can find on the subject and my house is a tip (no change there, then!).

Only males can be transwomen, which is how we know they are men, not women.

Gender is the hierarchy while sex is the material reality of human society.
Gender is a belief system that advocates have persuaded government to codify into law in the same way that a company is personified in law.
Right here right now the issue is self ID and what will happen to the society when men rule the streets as they did 100 years ago. With their fists.

This place is like a weird sci-fi time warp.... This and slow-news-media. As Homo Sapiens, we have 2 sexes. Everything else is wishful thinking.
I shall go now.

One day, hopefully, you will all be 80 and terribly delighted to be called elderly especially if you are intelligent and with it.

I'm already more than halfway there, and I can't imagine giving a single solitary fuck by then.

Why can you not accept that some transwomen genuinely do want to be women and feel like a woman

Because of reality. The fact of it is they can feel however they like, but no-one, ever can change their sex. It is simply not possible.

1. No such thing as trans-man. 4.They are women.

Agreed?

1. No such thing as a trans woman. 2. They are men.

I think I get it.

A trans woman is not a woman and should never be considered the same, but she is also not a man and should not be considered the same.

I still don't know what the fuck CIS is. (Apart from for tax purposes)

Well there has to be a compromise somewhere no?

Can you tell me why you feel that it's women who should be the ones who make it? Very interesting.

A woman is an adult human woman. Not a man nor trans-man. Do you agree?
I don't need to 'identify' as anything as I know my sex.

I frequently peak trans people. It isn't that hard. I'm very happy when I do. Because the transagenda is misogynistic bullshit.

(Points at user name)

I'm lazy and uncooperative and I like naps and enjoy having my hair petted. Can I be a cat, if I truly identify as one? If so how am I operating a computer with no thumbs?

A man is an adult human male. So, no, a trans man is not a man. They are a trans man.

It all depends on whether you believe in biology or in mind over matter.

You can “identify” as whatever you like. It doesn’t mean that you are that thing and that you get to demand that other people give up their rights and spaces based on your belief.

'which gender do you identify with' - Did you ask what they might be identifying as at that particular moment as one can't possibly be limited to choose only the meagre gender, one must be free to identify whatever one feels like!
Don't you go opressing people . How dare you to decide what one can or can not identify as????

Poster above said:

'Somebody else said this on another thread but it's worth saying again. There's no such thing as a transwoman. They are just men.'

That obviously means thet there are no trans-men either, they are just women who want to be men, right?

I made sure I peak trans-ed all of the lovely ladies in my office. Didn’t take much effort.

It followed a form being circulated which could be completed voluntarily. Asked the question - which gender do you identify with?

Don’t expect to come into our loos pal!

wakemeupbefore Tue 20-Feb-18 21:59:32
Is 'peak transing' all and sundty akin to Jehovas' Witnesses work?

No. It is akin to saying the JWs are entitled to their beliefs but passing laws that I have to share them is bad and wrong.
Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex, and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that no one actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?
How will the law punish the women who refuse to submit to men?

Phoenix, I get a sense you are picturing transgender people as fully medically transitioned transsexuals. You also say you haven't done the research; it's a very common error in understanding when you first hear about this stuff, so that makes me wonder too.

If you are angry that Travis or Danielle Muscato or Lily Madigan or Eddie Izzard might not be allowed in a woman's changing room or toilet, then you should also be angry that any man you know isn't allowed in there.

So my friend is FtM. He transitioned, lived as a male for a time as required, had his breasts removed, hormones taken etc etc and a gender certificate (I think it's called?)
He lives as a male, but has female genitals due to the surgery to create a penis being tricky. Anyway he lives quietly, if you passed him in the street you would see him as an average bloke. Has relationships etc etc and he transitioned because he always felt wrong. I have NO issue with that whatsoever

What I do have an issue with is a man, who is say a sexual predator, putting women's clothes/wig/makeup on, declaring he is female and using that to enter female only spaces. Not on. Or saying he is female and doing smear tests or intimate examinations

What about care work? There are vulnerable people that specifically ask for female/male only carers. They might be unable to speak out

Well no I can't because I haven't researched it... does that mean it hasn't or won't happen? No probably not.

I honestly would have felt the same way as you a few months back.

Peak-trans means peak-trans-ideology, not peak-trans people.

Please just spend a little while browsing through the threads in the feminist section. Have a read, keep an open mind. what's the worst that could happen?