Follow on thread III - Feeling sad and weary that feminists and trans-women are constantly pitted against one another.

I know! And Suzi Green FFS. And Lily Madigan fffffffs

Wow - should rename GBT!! Cant believe there isnt one lesbian out there who deserves some recognition for something - not even worthy of a tokenistic reward - gee thanks fellas !!!! Yes that is so true only ever seem to see FTMs in loved up relationships with a girl and a baby - i wonder how keen they would be to go into a mens prison?? oh but statistically speaking they would be unlikely to commit the violent crimes that would warrant them to have a custodial sentence!!

"Has anyone noticed that transwomen make the news for success in business, sport, the arts and politics, while transmen make the news for having babies?" anon
The Feminazgûl

Holy crap quentin

Can't be bothered to start a new thread because there are too many trans threads at the moment, but this should show how invisible lesbians are in the LGBT movement at the moment
www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/25/the-heroes-who-made-2017-so-much-better/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

God I feel sickened reading the TH thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2496368-Petition-to-stop-trans-woman-being-sent-to-make-prison?pg=2

MN is posting before I finish again..

Just reading that thread (and other Tara Hudson ones) now QuentinSummers

Then I realised that was I a child now, instead of being a tomboy, I would be in the group of girls others are now calling boys hmm. That gave me quite a fright; the thought that me saying I hated my body, wanted to be a boy, didn't want breasts or periods, enjoyed maths and buidling lego and computer games would mean I had a male brain and should change my body to match.

That was it for me too.

The Tara Hudson thread where rickroll dug up Taras profile on Hung Angels and the 7inch surprise boast also peak transed me more (they were Tia Star but it might have been taken down). It was so blatantly misleading the press were reporting Taras boob job as SRS

I think there are a lot of us on mn who started from the premise of "these poor trans people, they have a tough life, let's make it as easy as possible for them".
God yes. I remember being totally baffled on a thread where a man was asking whether to go on a hen night as himself or his female alter ego. Some posters were really laying into him in a way that seemed very harsh at the time.
But then I got peak transed by a Facebook group because I got booted out as a "transphobe" for saying bio women and TW weren't identical. I was so upset I started to do research to see if I was in fact a bigot and that was that.
This was before all the Danielle muscato/Tara Hudson idiocy.

I think there are a lot of us on mn who started from the premise of "these poor trans people, they have a tough life, let's make it as easy as possible for them".

I too used to read threads on here and think "what's the harm, I don't mind sharing a toilet with someone who is trying to pass as a woman". But for me it's been two things. Firstly I noticed the sport and that was just stupid. Then I realised that was I a child now, instead of being a tomboy, I would be in the group of girls others are now calling boys . That gave me quite a fright; the thought that me saying I hated my body, wanted to be a boy, didn't want breasts or periods, enjoyed maths and buidling lego and computer games would mean I had a male brain and should change my body to match.

That's bollocks.

No Batshite what you were being was kind to a group you understood to be oppressed.

Never feel bad about that, it's part of your socialisation from birth as a female human. It is a hard truth to come up against, especially when you really don't want harm to come to any trans person, you just don't think it fair or just for their safety to be had at the expense of women and girls' safety.

I still now have times where I sit and think..am I wrong? Am I kneejerking and thinking things are worse than they actually are. Have I suddenly turned into a bigot for no reason? I talk myself out of it easily enough though, but its always there in the back of my head. I do worry about the 'normal' transsexual people getting caught up in all of this bollocks still. But I don't see any other way out of it all than to say all trans-identified males are still male people. I have to fight with the 'be nice' side of me to even post on this topic tbh. Except for transkids. I have no problems posting on that topic as thats really really clear to me, blockers are child abuse. Its so clear to me as I was that kid who would have been put on blockers and grabbed them with both hands to stop the attention I was getting from grown men as soon as my tits came. It scared the shit out of me and anything that would have a chance of stopping that I would have done (I tried to cut my own tits off as a teen, seriously. Have scars now. Luckily the knife was not sharp enough, though I have huge scars). Thats why my views on transkid come across maybe a bit too strongly. I am fairly happy these days, have 2 kids who I would not have had if on blockers and such. Still sucks sometimes to be a woman and I do often think how much easier life would be as a man though. This does not make me trans. I am still a woman as I am an adult human female. Simple as.

No Batshite what you were being was kind to a group you understood to be oppressed.

Never feel bad about that, it's part of your socialisation from birth as a female human. It is a hard truth to come up against, especially when you really don't want harm to come to any trans person, you just don't think it fair or just for their safety to be had at the expense of women and girls' safety.

Sorry that was to SophoclesTheFox's question.

Nope. Not one.

IIRC, Tara had a long record of violence.

Weird isn't it that when the threat of rape or sexual assault is to a simulacrum of a woman they must be moved to a place where they make women unsafe by their very presence? And yet prison rape is still used as a joke in some quarters.

Tims like Tara absolutely deserve to be safe, what they don't deserve is to be safe within the women's estate. He would have been perfectly safe in solitary in the male estate.

True.

Wasn't Tara in prison for headbutting a barman and breaking all his teeth? I don't think Tara's any more vulnerable than the average man.

I would go further and say that Tara is actually more dangerous, violent and capable of defending himself/dominating and controlling others than the average man. Most men don't headbutt people or cause others serious injuries in their lives.

Wasn't Tara in prison for headbutting a barman and breaking all his teeth? I don't think Tara's any more vulnerable than the average man.

Yes, I agree that there are many vulnerable people in prisons.

If they aren't prepared to have separate wings for prisoners with mh issues, anxiety, ASC and other SN, those who are small, "feminine" looking, gay or otherwise more likely to be picked on by the macho gang culture that is prevalent among inmates in high security male prisons, why does being trans mean getting special treatment?

Everyone in prison should be protected from violence. Are they actually admitting "we can't keep prisoners safe in male prisons"? And passing the problem along so that female prisoners are even less safe in female prisons?

Argh that pouty image is irritating! A quick haircut, some make up remover, with typical space-consuming male posture and body language would work wonders to change all that in a jiffy.